It's just very interesting. Bernie is so good at pumping up young white millennials but it's very tough for him in some black venues he's attended. A few weeks ago he lost a crowd at a black college. Now he never really had them at a SC black church.
In a Black Church in South Carolina, Bernie Sanders Struggles to Get an ‘Amen’
"The problem began as soon as Bernie Sanders walked into the dining room of the revered and predominantly black Brookland Baptist Church here. Instead of flocking to him, as supporters do at his large college rallies, many of the church’s 780 members present looked up for a moment, then quietly went back to eating their Sunday feast — unmoved as Mr. Sanders, the senator from Vermont, tried to work the room."
"Mr. Sanders delivered remarks at a microphone next to a buffet table offering chicken, collard greens and dinner rolls."
“We have, in America today, a broken criminal justice system,” Mr. Sanders said at the microphone, pausing briefly after this line from his stump speech, which is usually met with applause. Here it garnered very little, and the line for the food kept moving. Brookland Baptist Church proved a tough crowd."
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/22/us/politics/in-a-black-church-in-south-carolina-bernie-sanders-struggles-to-get-an-amen.html?smid=tw-share
It's been talked about how Cornell West has been a drag for Bernie more than a help.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/01/22/how-cornel-west-hurts-bernie-sanders/
Killer Mike has led to more trouble than he's worth in talking about how you shouldn't vote for a uterus. Bernie doesn't have any time for questions about KM but then again, the same thing happened to Gloria Steinem on HRC's side. It's part of a campaign.
Bernie's latest black friend-Ben Jealous-didn't help him in the SC black church either:
"Mr. Jealous, who introduced Mr. Sanders to the church, also failed to get the applause the team is accustomed to from crowds of mostly white voters."
“There are people who will say to you there is a dreamer who is running for president,” Mr. Jealous said, “and his dreams are so big, y’all shouldn’t dream that big. But in our community, when they tell us not to dream, we say, ‘Yes, we can.’ And so I ask you, ladies and gentlemen, are you ready to dream big?”
“Amen,” said one woman, Karen Brooker, 46, who later said she was undecided.
"Mr. Jealous tried again."
“No, no, no. Are you ready to dream big?” Mr. Jealous said.
“Yes. Fired up,” a few more in the crowd offered. Most continued to eat silently.
I've argued before that there is a game show like quality to Bernie's campaign that I for one don't trust so much. Ezra Klein writes a good column today that gets to some tells as to why Bernie is not Presidential material.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/2/22/11086292/bernie-sanders-political-revolution-wonks
Charles Blow argues that black voters in particular don't 'trust politicians. Sure you make promises but will you keep them? Hillary rightly calls Bernie for making promises he can't keep. Not what she says: not 'Don't want to keep' but 'Are not able to keep.'
But when you promise what you can't deliver is this helpful? Certainly a doctor, a pilot, a mechanic who made promises he couldn't keep would not be honored as a truth teller. In few trades or specialties would this be seen as admirable. You'd be seen as a fraud for overpromising and underdelivering in most professions.
Is politics a vocation like Max Weber said or isn't it?
Goldie Taylor meanwhile has upset many Bernie Maniacs today:
"This Is the Date Bernie Sanders Berns Out."
"With South Carolina and Super Tuesday looming ahead, Bernie Sanders’ campaign is fast approaching an expiration date."
"Not only will the revolution not be televised—at least in the case of Senator Bernie Sanders—it appears to have an expiration date."
"Despite collecting millions in small-dollar donations and packing thousands of people into arenas around the country, despite topping Hillary Clinton for the first time in a national poll of likely Democratic voters, the path to victory has narrowed sharply for Sanders. Some would argue that a window of opportunity slammed shut Sunday night in Nevada and that the upcoming race in South Carolina is the proverbial kitty-bar."
"Sanders may well have the volunteers and the money to keep going, but after March 15 he’ll have to grapple with a new set of questions. Does he still have the ability to push Clinton further left? And he can he bring enough new voters into the process to exert any real influence?"
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/22/this-is-the-date-bernie-sanders-berns-out.html?via=ios
In a Black Church in South Carolina, Bernie Sanders Struggles to Get an ‘Amen’
"The problem began as soon as Bernie Sanders walked into the dining room of the revered and predominantly black Brookland Baptist Church here. Instead of flocking to him, as supporters do at his large college rallies, many of the church’s 780 members present looked up for a moment, then quietly went back to eating their Sunday feast — unmoved as Mr. Sanders, the senator from Vermont, tried to work the room."
"Mr. Sanders delivered remarks at a microphone next to a buffet table offering chicken, collard greens and dinner rolls."
“We have, in America today, a broken criminal justice system,” Mr. Sanders said at the microphone, pausing briefly after this line from his stump speech, which is usually met with applause. Here it garnered very little, and the line for the food kept moving. Brookland Baptist Church proved a tough crowd."
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/22/us/politics/in-a-black-church-in-south-carolina-bernie-sanders-struggles-to-get-an-amen.html?smid=tw-share
It's been talked about how Cornell West has been a drag for Bernie more than a help.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/01/22/how-cornel-west-hurts-bernie-sanders/
Killer Mike has led to more trouble than he's worth in talking about how you shouldn't vote for a uterus. Bernie doesn't have any time for questions about KM but then again, the same thing happened to Gloria Steinem on HRC's side. It's part of a campaign.
Bernie's latest black friend-Ben Jealous-didn't help him in the SC black church either:
"Mr. Jealous, who introduced Mr. Sanders to the church, also failed to get the applause the team is accustomed to from crowds of mostly white voters."
“There are people who will say to you there is a dreamer who is running for president,” Mr. Jealous said, “and his dreams are so big, y’all shouldn’t dream that big. But in our community, when they tell us not to dream, we say, ‘Yes, we can.’ And so I ask you, ladies and gentlemen, are you ready to dream big?”
“Amen,” said one woman, Karen Brooker, 46, who later said she was undecided.
"Mr. Jealous tried again."
“No, no, no. Are you ready to dream big?” Mr. Jealous said.
“Yes. Fired up,” a few more in the crowd offered. Most continued to eat silently.
I've argued before that there is a game show like quality to Bernie's campaign that I for one don't trust so much. Ezra Klein writes a good column today that gets to some tells as to why Bernie is not Presidential material.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/2/22/11086292/bernie-sanders-political-revolution-wonks
Charles Blow argues that black voters in particular don't 'trust politicians. Sure you make promises but will you keep them? Hillary rightly calls Bernie for making promises he can't keep. Not what she says: not 'Don't want to keep' but 'Are not able to keep.'
But when you promise what you can't deliver is this helpful? Certainly a doctor, a pilot, a mechanic who made promises he couldn't keep would not be honored as a truth teller. In few trades or specialties would this be seen as admirable. You'd be seen as a fraud for overpromising and underdelivering in most professions.
Is politics a vocation like Max Weber said or isn't it?
Goldie Taylor meanwhile has upset many Bernie Maniacs today:
"This Is the Date Bernie Sanders Berns Out."
"With South Carolina and Super Tuesday looming ahead, Bernie Sanders’ campaign is fast approaching an expiration date."
"Not only will the revolution not be televised—at least in the case of Senator Bernie Sanders—it appears to have an expiration date."
"Despite collecting millions in small-dollar donations and packing thousands of people into arenas around the country, despite topping Hillary Clinton for the first time in a national poll of likely Democratic voters, the path to victory has narrowed sharply for Sanders. Some would argue that a window of opportunity slammed shut Sunday night in Nevada and that the upcoming race in South Carolina is the proverbial kitty-bar."
"Sanders may well have the volunteers and the money to keep going, but after March 15 he’ll have to grapple with a new set of questions. Does he still have the ability to push Clinton further left? And he can he bring enough new voters into the process to exert any real influence?"
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/22/this-is-the-date-bernie-sanders-berns-out.html?via=ios
He may have the money though he's really Berning though is raised donations and then some.
http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2016/02/feel-bern-rate-sanders-blows-through.html
So per Goldie Taylor March 15 is the day the Bern burns out.
"Sanders, the self-professed anti-establishment candidate, has run on a platform that attacks income inequality, as well as promises to expand access to healthcare and college education. His message has attracted support from mostly white progressives who are convinced that Sanders is the best candidate to carry the Democratic banner in the fall campaign. For them, Clinton represents all that is wrong in Washington."
"The problem for Sanders is that he has nowhere to grow. Black voters, who will dominate many of the coming primaries, have not responded to his message. Even black millennials, thought to be good prospects, are breaking in favor of Clinton. They are, it appears by the ballots cast in Nevada and polling in upcoming states, voting with their parents and grandparents. It must be said that Clinton won the Nevada black vote by a 3-to-1 margin and that crossed age and income. And despite what entrance polling data said in Nevada, according to analysis published by NBC News, she may have won Hispanics as well."
"After Sanders won New Hampshire and nearly bested the former Secretary of State in Iowa, many began to challenge the notion of Clinton’s inevitability. There were cracks, they said, in the “firewall.” Expectations were managed downward ahead of Nevada, even by the Clinton campaign—which started organizing in the state last April. The Sanders camp appeared to be stunned by their good fortunes. By comparison, they did not put boots on the ground until late winter when it became clear that he could be competitive there."
"But then Hispanic civil-rights leaders and members of Congress, including California Representative Xavier Becerra and Dolores Huerta, rang in and openly challenged Sanders on past immigration policy votes. Then, too, endorsements began to roll through the piedmonts of the Palmetto State. Black pastors and elected officials began digging a trench around South Carolina."
"Taken together, if the trend holds, there is no path to victory left for Sanders. At this late stage in the campaign, unlike Republicans, there is limited growth potential for either candidate in such a small field."
"More critically, one rationale for the Sanders candidacy dries up under scrutiny. Turnout numbers and the anticipated brief nature of the primary mean he has not and will not drive increased voter participation. The wave never arrived and there is no sign of it on the horizon."
"One of the more vexing things about this election year is the open hostility to basic election math and the exhausting comparisons between Sanders and the road that then-Senator Barack Obama faced in 2008. There are a paucity of similarities between Sanders and President Obama as candidates and even fewer parallels in terms of campaign and election-year dynamics."
"One day soon, Sanders will take to a lectern and announce that he is suspending his campaign. What follows could be a push for Clinton to embrace single-payer healthcare or take on student loan debt in a more substantial way. Sanders could harness his coalition ahead of the Democratic convention and attempt to force Clinton’s hand on any number of issues. Or Sanders could decide to actively campaign for U.S. Senate and House candidates and help deliver a new Congress that will take up those reforms."
"Ultimately, what Sanders does after he exits will reveal if the movement was about him or us. "
I think the hostility to math is that Bernie's coalition is all about millennials who don't want to hear about anything as unsexy as math and pragmatism and the 'art of the possible.' They don't want to hear that change will necessarily be incremental in 2017 no matter who's in the White House.
They want to believe there is no distinction between campaigning and governing. For this distinction see Ezra Klein who puts it so well.
"And, hell, let's just be honest: All this policy talk is just a way to pass the time between now and the election. It doesn't matter how strong Bernie Sanders's single-payer health care plan is — it's not going to pass, just like Donald Trump isn't going to get Mexico to pay for a wall and Hillary Clinton isn't going to get universal pre-K past a Republican Congress and Ted Cruz isn't going to set up a value-added tax."
So per Goldie Taylor March 15 is the day the Bern burns out.
"Sanders, the self-professed anti-establishment candidate, has run on a platform that attacks income inequality, as well as promises to expand access to healthcare and college education. His message has attracted support from mostly white progressives who are convinced that Sanders is the best candidate to carry the Democratic banner in the fall campaign. For them, Clinton represents all that is wrong in Washington."
"The problem for Sanders is that he has nowhere to grow. Black voters, who will dominate many of the coming primaries, have not responded to his message. Even black millennials, thought to be good prospects, are breaking in favor of Clinton. They are, it appears by the ballots cast in Nevada and polling in upcoming states, voting with their parents and grandparents. It must be said that Clinton won the Nevada black vote by a 3-to-1 margin and that crossed age and income. And despite what entrance polling data said in Nevada, according to analysis published by NBC News, she may have won Hispanics as well."
"After Sanders won New Hampshire and nearly bested the former Secretary of State in Iowa, many began to challenge the notion of Clinton’s inevitability. There were cracks, they said, in the “firewall.” Expectations were managed downward ahead of Nevada, even by the Clinton campaign—which started organizing in the state last April. The Sanders camp appeared to be stunned by their good fortunes. By comparison, they did not put boots on the ground until late winter when it became clear that he could be competitive there."
"But then Hispanic civil-rights leaders and members of Congress, including California Representative Xavier Becerra and Dolores Huerta, rang in and openly challenged Sanders on past immigration policy votes. Then, too, endorsements began to roll through the piedmonts of the Palmetto State. Black pastors and elected officials began digging a trench around South Carolina."
"Taken together, if the trend holds, there is no path to victory left for Sanders. At this late stage in the campaign, unlike Republicans, there is limited growth potential for either candidate in such a small field."
"More critically, one rationale for the Sanders candidacy dries up under scrutiny. Turnout numbers and the anticipated brief nature of the primary mean he has not and will not drive increased voter participation. The wave never arrived and there is no sign of it on the horizon."
"One of the more vexing things about this election year is the open hostility to basic election math and the exhausting comparisons between Sanders and the road that then-Senator Barack Obama faced in 2008. There are a paucity of similarities between Sanders and President Obama as candidates and even fewer parallels in terms of campaign and election-year dynamics."
"One day soon, Sanders will take to a lectern and announce that he is suspending his campaign. What follows could be a push for Clinton to embrace single-payer healthcare or take on student loan debt in a more substantial way. Sanders could harness his coalition ahead of the Democratic convention and attempt to force Clinton’s hand on any number of issues. Or Sanders could decide to actively campaign for U.S. Senate and House candidates and help deliver a new Congress that will take up those reforms."
"Ultimately, what Sanders does after he exits will reveal if the movement was about him or us. "
I think the hostility to math is that Bernie's coalition is all about millennials who don't want to hear about anything as unsexy as math and pragmatism and the 'art of the possible.' They don't want to hear that change will necessarily be incremental in 2017 no matter who's in the White House.
They want to believe there is no distinction between campaigning and governing. For this distinction see Ezra Klein who puts it so well.
"And, hell, let's just be honest: All this policy talk is just a way to pass the time between now and the election. It doesn't matter how strong Bernie Sanders's single-payer health care plan is — it's not going to pass, just like Donald Trump isn't going to get Mexico to pay for a wall and Hillary Clinton isn't going to get universal pre-K past a Republican Congress and Ted Cruz isn't going to set up a value-added tax."
O/T: Mike, this is hilarious: I don't know if you saw, but in a comment here a couple of days ago I mentioned that I'd emailed Bill Donahue (the right wing leader and no doubt 25% of the membership of the "Catholic League" For Religious and Civil Rights) asking him why he was giving Ann Coulter a pass for her anti-Catholic (and pro-Trump) tweets.
ReplyDeleteSo anyway, today I got an email from the Catholic League thanking me for the heads up and letting me know that they've now called her out:
http://www.catholicleague.org/ann-coulters-catholic-problem/
Lol!! I hope Ann responds. And I hope it's as nasty a response as possible. I might get a twitter account just so I can tweet her about it.
It's especially fun because I get the impression Bill is a Trump fan of sorts. He blames an unscrupulous member of the media for asking Pope Francis a leading question about wall builders (that started the recent dust up with Trump). Bill was really pissed at the cognitive dissonance that dust up caused him, so naturally the media was to blame.
Even in this relatively mild call out of Ann, he feels the need to thow in a dig at Bill Maher too, even though he had nothing to do with it.
I knew the tweet about "raping little boys" would get to him. Bill's basically a child sex abuse denier, so even more than the media he's extremely contemptuous of "sex abuse survivor" groups like SNAP.
I must say, I feel a bit proud of myself for this one. You occasionally see Bill on TV. If I recall correctly he appeared opposite Hitches once or twice.
Well good job. I'm not sure if I've heard of Bill Donohue or not but nice getting a rise out him and the CL.
ReplyDeleteHere's a recent appearance of Bill on Fox:
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eqlBYquEB4
Here are some examples of him an Hitchens going at it:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bill+donohue+vs+christopher+hitchens+
He even has the distinction of being parodied by South Park.
DeleteRe: emailing quasi-celebrities like Bill, I tried it again the other day while in a discussion on Jason's blog with a commenter named "Henry" (he signs his comments Henry, though he comments anonymously). It was mostly between those two, but Henry said this:
ReplyDelete"If it's complexity how is it you can speak of entropy?"
Which reminded me of a really wonderful speech I saw by Sean Carroll at the FFRF the night before, which prompted me to respond:
"It's possible entropy and complexity can both increase at the same time."
Which got me thinking... perhaps I could have said something stronger... perhaps it's NECESSARY for entropy to be increasing for complexity to increase (necessary, but definitely not sufficient). So I emailed Sean, and I swear within 5 minutes he got back to me basically affirming that. Since I brought up Carroll in my response to Henry (Henry apparently watched the bit of the speech I directed him to), it was fun to report Sean's opinion on the matter in near real-time.
This comment of mine has a link to Sean's speech, fast forwarded to start at just the right place in case you're interested. I highly recommend it!
Earlier in his speech, Sean presents this equation and basically assures the audience that we completely know how atoms work... and there's literally no room for any funny stuff there like ghosts, spirits or an afterlife (at the energy, mass and length scales that could have any bearing at all on human existence). Here's a link to that bit:
Deletehttps://tinyurl.com/zaqwvr5
Enjoy!