There is an argument that the more 'serious' debate might be the 'little kid's room'-the 7 GOPers who didn't make the primetime cut as their poll numbers are so low.
Finally what about the Kiddie Table?
"There will be also be a debate between the “second tier” candidates, which many are calling the “kiddie table” debate. Matt Lewis says it might get more attention than we expect:
"It’s entirely possible that the narrative will be that the earlier debate was actually better. For one thing, you’ve got some serious candidates (Perry, Santorum, Jindal, Fiorina, et al.) who will be in this earlier scrum. These are formidable candidates. What if the big debate turns into a mess (thanks to Donald Trump), but the first debate is conversely serious and high-minded?"
"It’s possible. But will a “serious” debate do the “kiddie table” candidates any good in a media environment that has devolved into a 24-hour Trump-a-thon?"
http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/08/jonathan-martin-on-what-trump-must.html
Well, I'm watching the little kid's table on Fox right now and it strikes me that what you are going to see is candidates more willing to attack Trump-after all he's not there.
Carly Fioriana had a line that unlike Trump she didn't take a call from Bill Clinton before she got in. Rick Perry was happy to go after Trump without having to worry about his response.
The other thing that stands out is that the candidates love talking about ISIS.
UPDATE: And they talk about Hillary a lot which makes sense as she will be the Democratic nominee, whatever you hear on the Ed Show or Rachel Maddow.
Nate Silver throws cold water on my and Bruce Bartlett's dream of a Trump primary win. In reality I do realize it's a real long shot. Still I'm enjoying it while I can. My assumption is that the GOP establishment will never let it happen but just want it to go on as long as possible.
Silver does allow that it could go on for a long time and may well not be over anytime soon.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trumps-six-stages-of-doom/
My theory is basically the more Trump the better. The longer he's in the worse he makes it for Jeb Bush.
UPDATE: The moderators did start the debate with a good question-what do this group of also-rans matter anyway? Seriously, I don't think Rick Santorum matters at all and I'd like to forget Rick Perry. As for Lindsay Graham, as Trump says the man is polling at zero.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/early-2016-gop-debate-undercards-fox-121103.html?hp=t1_r
Finally what about the Kiddie Table?
"There will be also be a debate between the “second tier” candidates, which many are calling the “kiddie table” debate. Matt Lewis says it might get more attention than we expect:
"It’s entirely possible that the narrative will be that the earlier debate was actually better. For one thing, you’ve got some serious candidates (Perry, Santorum, Jindal, Fiorina, et al.) who will be in this earlier scrum. These are formidable candidates. What if the big debate turns into a mess (thanks to Donald Trump), but the first debate is conversely serious and high-minded?"
"It’s possible. But will a “serious” debate do the “kiddie table” candidates any good in a media environment that has devolved into a 24-hour Trump-a-thon?"
http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/08/jonathan-martin-on-what-trump-must.html
Well, I'm watching the little kid's table on Fox right now and it strikes me that what you are going to see is candidates more willing to attack Trump-after all he's not there.
Carly Fioriana had a line that unlike Trump she didn't take a call from Bill Clinton before she got in. Rick Perry was happy to go after Trump without having to worry about his response.
The other thing that stands out is that the candidates love talking about ISIS.
UPDATE: And they talk about Hillary a lot which makes sense as she will be the Democratic nominee, whatever you hear on the Ed Show or Rachel Maddow.
Nate Silver throws cold water on my and Bruce Bartlett's dream of a Trump primary win. In reality I do realize it's a real long shot. Still I'm enjoying it while I can. My assumption is that the GOP establishment will never let it happen but just want it to go on as long as possible.
Silver does allow that it could go on for a long time and may well not be over anytime soon.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trumps-six-stages-of-doom/
My theory is basically the more Trump the better. The longer he's in the worse he makes it for Jeb Bush.
UPDATE: The moderators did start the debate with a good question-what do this group of also-rans matter anyway? Seriously, I don't think Rick Santorum matters at all and I'd like to forget Rick Perry. As for Lindsay Graham, as Trump says the man is polling at zero.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/early-2016-gop-debate-undercards-fox-121103.html?hp=t1_r
It's funny to me that it's been dubbed the kid's room. I saw a lecture from a philosophy professor who spoke at some length about people who use unreliable ways to know things and whom yet have 100% confidence in their unreliable conclusions. In addition, they are proud of themselves for this attitude (Paul Romer might call such people "epistemically closed"). This prof simply calls them "deluded" and suggests they be left to squabble amongst themselves at the "kid's table" when decisions requiring good critical thinking skills and an attitude valuing belief revision are being discussed at the "adult's table." Lol.
ReplyDeleteHowever, he's not for abandoning anybody at the "kid's table" forever: he thinks they are often intelligent and good hearted people and he wants to bring them back into the fold at the adult's table ASAP (by helping them with their epistemological problems). BTW, he doesn't get paid to do that, but he does volunteer at prisons (where I suppose many such individuals can be found) to put his ideas into practice (something I would love to see!). Perhaps he's the world's first "clinical philosopher."