They keep waiting for her to be eclipsed like in 2008 and what they miss is there is no Obama this time. He was already very well known after 2004. He was a very credible candidate that many wanted to run.
To compare Bernie to Obama is to compare apples to Styrofoam-there is just no comparison at all. To win a nomination you have to get endorsements and win delegates. Which is what may ultimately be the undoing of Trump-though he has the credible threat of a third party run.
Hillary has already locked up huge amounts of delegates.
"Hillary Clinton delivered a show of force on Friday meant to make one thing abundantly clear to Democratic leaders, Bernie Sanders, and Joe Biden: She is the boss."
"Coming off two weeks of breathless speculation about the vice president’s ambitions, Clinton now looks like she’s nearly locked up the support of party elites, something she critically failed to accomplish in 2008."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/hillary-clinton-2016-democratic-elite-213148#ixzz3kCsy1QSp
That was what Obama beat her at in 2008-the delegate count. Biden is surely not Obama 2008 either. By the way Nate Silver gets it right on a Biden run and those 'helpfully' suggesting that a Biden run would help Hillary.
Yeah right and Edward Kennedy running in 1980 helped Jimmy Carter!
"The irony is that the media has exaggerated all sorts of threats to Clinton, who remains in good shape for the nomination. But then you have the one thing that would be a tangibly bad sign for her campaign — the vice president of the United States running for the nomination against her! — and there are lots of “smart takes” about how it could help Clinton."
"Well, first of all, it’s not just that Biden would be a more formidable competitor to Clinton than Sanders. I don’t know that Biden would be all that great a candidate, in fact. But Biden running would signal that concern about Clinton among Democratic Party elites had gone from the bedwetting stage to something more serious."
"But the other big problem (as we and others have pointed out before) is that Biden doesn’t have much rationale to run other than if Clinton has “trust”/scandal problems. He might never come out and say it, but that would be the whole basis for his campaign. They don’t really differ in any meaningful way on policy."
"I don’t think you can compare a declared candidate in Clinton — who’s been getting a ton of scrutiny from the press, some deserved and some not — against a hypothetical candidate who has a halo around him because the press would love to see a huge fight for the nomination.
Over the long run, Clinton’s favorability numbers have been no worse than Biden’s. Often a little better."
"General election polls of candidates who aren’t running in the primary are ridiculous. Once he enters, all of Biden’s faults will be put on the table. And there are a lot to play with. If there weren’t, he’d have done better when he ran in past elections."
To compare Bernie to Obama is to compare apples to Styrofoam-there is just no comparison at all. To win a nomination you have to get endorsements and win delegates. Which is what may ultimately be the undoing of Trump-though he has the credible threat of a third party run.
Hillary has already locked up huge amounts of delegates.
"Hillary Clinton delivered a show of force on Friday meant to make one thing abundantly clear to Democratic leaders, Bernie Sanders, and Joe Biden: She is the boss."
"Coming off two weeks of breathless speculation about the vice president’s ambitions, Clinton now looks like she’s nearly locked up the support of party elites, something she critically failed to accomplish in 2008."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/hillary-clinton-2016-democratic-elite-213148#ixzz3kCsy1QSp
That was what Obama beat her at in 2008-the delegate count. Biden is surely not Obama 2008 either. By the way Nate Silver gets it right on a Biden run and those 'helpfully' suggesting that a Biden run would help Hillary.
Yeah right and Edward Kennedy running in 1980 helped Jimmy Carter!
"The irony is that the media has exaggerated all sorts of threats to Clinton, who remains in good shape for the nomination. But then you have the one thing that would be a tangibly bad sign for her campaign — the vice president of the United States running for the nomination against her! — and there are lots of “smart takes” about how it could help Clinton."
"Well, first of all, it’s not just that Biden would be a more formidable competitor to Clinton than Sanders. I don’t know that Biden would be all that great a candidate, in fact. But Biden running would signal that concern about Clinton among Democratic Party elites had gone from the bedwetting stage to something more serious."
"But the other big problem (as we and others have pointed out before) is that Biden doesn’t have much rationale to run other than if Clinton has “trust”/scandal problems. He might never come out and say it, but that would be the whole basis for his campaign. They don’t really differ in any meaningful way on policy."
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/most-of-the-speculation-about-a-joe-biden-presidential-run-is-malarkey/
While I don't blame Biden for this as he's suffered the unthinkable loss of his son I would if he messed up the race. And running on emailgate would be unforgivable.
But what's interesting is that this 'advice'-Get Biden in the race it will help Hillary, recalls the 'advice' Obama was getting on Biden from the GOP and MSM in 2011. Then the narrative was Drop Biden he's a gaffe machine.
Silver I think had pointed out that this would have been a terrible sign for the Obama campaign and a suggestion that the first term was a failure. Similarly a Biden run would suggest that Hillary is in deep do-do which is exactly what the lamestream press has been trying to baselessly suggest for months.
While I don't blame Biden for this as he's suffered the unthinkable loss of his son I would if he messed up the race. And running on emailgate would be unforgivable.
But what's interesting is that this 'advice'-Get Biden in the race it will help Hillary, recalls the 'advice' Obama was getting on Biden from the GOP and MSM in 2011. Then the narrative was Drop Biden he's a gaffe machine.
Silver I think had pointed out that this would have been a terrible sign for the Obama campaign and a suggestion that the first term was a failure. Similarly a Biden run would suggest that Hillary is in deep do-do which is exactly what the lamestream press has been trying to baselessly suggest for months.
As to those polls that show Biden doing better than Hillary-it's not so meaningful as he's an undeclared candidate. Someone not running for anything always does better than someone who's running
Over the long run, Clinton’s favorability numbers have been no worse than Biden’s. Often a little better."
"General election polls of candidates who aren’t running in the primary are ridiculous. Once he enters, all of Biden’s faults will be put on the table. And there are a lot to play with. If there weren’t, he’d have done better when he ran in past elections."
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