First and foremost, it should be the last one of this primary. Maybe there is a God. At some point, more debates become superfluous.
This was a sentiment many on Twitter voiced last night. I think Chris Cillizza spoke for many here:
"There hasn't been a Democratic debate in 36 days. How have we survived?!?"
https://twitter.com/TheFix/status/720676101304004608
Here is Deray McKesson-of Black Lives Matter, who is running for Mayor of Baltimore.
"The #DemDebates all feel the same these days. I don't quite remember when the last debate was that I learned something new."
https://twitter.com/deray/status/720795661520613376
In polls, most NYers actually were not that excited about another debate and this is why.
Ok, so who won last night's debate? The answer is very easy: Hillary Clinton.
She won because she gave a good performance as usual. But first and foremost, she won as Bernie didn't have a knockout moment.
Last night was surely no game changer and he needed a game changer. Chris Cillizza:
"Clinton didn't knock Sanders out. But she definitely won on points. She was ready when Sanders came at her on her judgment for voting for the war in Iraq, noting that the voters of New York as well as President Obama trusted her judgment. She noted, powerfully, that women's rights had not come up nearly enough in these debates and that Sanders had sought to minimize them as an issue when Donald Trump made his comments about abortion. (Sidenote: That was Clinton's best moment of the night, reminding people watching that her campaign to be the first female presidential nominee for a major party was both historic and unique.)"
"Most importantly, Clinton drove home -- again and again -- the idea that Sanders talked a good game but couldn't back it up. "It's easy to diagnose the problem," she said at one point. "It's harder to do something about the problem." That's her broader argument in this race -- what Sanders says sounds nice but can't be done -- and she did yeoman's work in making sure anyone watching understood that."
"No, she wasn't perfect in the Brooklyn debate. Clinton continues to be evasive and unconvincing when it comes to her refusal to release the transcripts of her paid speeches to Goldman Sachs. The idea that the Republicans running for president need to release any paid speeches they gave before Clinton will do the same is a cop out. Period."
"But, Clinton came into the debate ahead in New York and the race more broadly. Nothing that happened on Thursday night will change that."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/14/winners-and-losers-from-the-9th-democratic-presidential-debate/
On the speeches, what exactly is she supposed to do? Why does she alone have to release speeches she made? What does Bernie hope to learn in them? If he could be specific, it'd be different.
This was a sentiment many on Twitter voiced last night. I think Chris Cillizza spoke for many here:
"There hasn't been a Democratic debate in 36 days. How have we survived?!?"
https://twitter.com/TheFix/status/720676101304004608
Here is Deray McKesson-of Black Lives Matter, who is running for Mayor of Baltimore.
"The #DemDebates all feel the same these days. I don't quite remember when the last debate was that I learned something new."
https://twitter.com/deray/status/720795661520613376
In polls, most NYers actually were not that excited about another debate and this is why.
Ok, so who won last night's debate? The answer is very easy: Hillary Clinton.
She won because she gave a good performance as usual. But first and foremost, she won as Bernie didn't have a knockout moment.
Last night was surely no game changer and he needed a game changer. Chris Cillizza:
"Clinton didn't knock Sanders out. But she definitely won on points. She was ready when Sanders came at her on her judgment for voting for the war in Iraq, noting that the voters of New York as well as President Obama trusted her judgment. She noted, powerfully, that women's rights had not come up nearly enough in these debates and that Sanders had sought to minimize them as an issue when Donald Trump made his comments about abortion. (Sidenote: That was Clinton's best moment of the night, reminding people watching that her campaign to be the first female presidential nominee for a major party was both historic and unique.)"
"Most importantly, Clinton drove home -- again and again -- the idea that Sanders talked a good game but couldn't back it up. "It's easy to diagnose the problem," she said at one point. "It's harder to do something about the problem." That's her broader argument in this race -- what Sanders says sounds nice but can't be done -- and she did yeoman's work in making sure anyone watching understood that."
"No, she wasn't perfect in the Brooklyn debate. Clinton continues to be evasive and unconvincing when it comes to her refusal to release the transcripts of her paid speeches to Goldman Sachs. The idea that the Republicans running for president need to release any paid speeches they gave before Clinton will do the same is a cop out. Period."
"But, Clinton came into the debate ahead in New York and the race more broadly. Nothing that happened on Thursday night will change that."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/14/winners-and-losers-from-the-9th-democratic-presidential-debate/
On the speeches, what exactly is she supposed to do? Why does she alone have to release speeches she made? What does Bernie hope to learn in them? If he could be specific, it'd be different.
I thought she had a good response: why won't he release his tax returns? The demand that she release the speeches is a brand new demand that no other candidate has ever had to do.
Michelle Obama plans to make some paid speeches when she leaves the White House. Gloria Steinem makes paid speeches as does Al Sharpton. Clearly giving a paid speech doesn't make you a bad person.
But releasing your taxes is a normal part of what a Presidential candidate is supposed to do. This lack of transparency on Bernie's part is worrisome.
Surely he should release the returns before being so self-righteous about what she needs to release beyond what candidates normally release.
I do agree with Cillizza it was a great move for her to pivot to women's issues and abortion rights. She did a number of things last night that I have been wanting to see her do for months.
Calling out the lack of any mention of women's rights was one.
Another thing she did was call him out on his fairy tale that when he was this martyr for gun control in Vermont. Maybe he lost in 1988 by supporting an assault weapons ban, but he learnt his lesson in 1990 by opposing it and the NRA supported him over his GOP opponent who had beat him in 1988.
As for Bernie critiquing her speech to Israel-he said she didn't speak up for the Palestinians-a few points.
1. Why didn't he go to AIPAC and make this case if he feels so strongly about it? It's ironic that you criticize what she said when you wouldn't take the time to speak yourself.
2. But the Daily Beast's Goldie Taylor linked to where Hillary said this at the AIPAC speech:
"Palestinians should be able to govern themselves in their own state, in peace and dignity."
https://twitter.com/EJDionne/status/720803997230039040
Michelle Obama plans to make some paid speeches when she leaves the White House. Gloria Steinem makes paid speeches as does Al Sharpton. Clearly giving a paid speech doesn't make you a bad person.
But releasing your taxes is a normal part of what a Presidential candidate is supposed to do. This lack of transparency on Bernie's part is worrisome.
Surely he should release the returns before being so self-righteous about what she needs to release beyond what candidates normally release.
I do agree with Cillizza it was a great move for her to pivot to women's issues and abortion rights. She did a number of things last night that I have been wanting to see her do for months.
Calling out the lack of any mention of women's rights was one.
Another thing she did was call him out on his fairy tale that when he was this martyr for gun control in Vermont. Maybe he lost in 1988 by supporting an assault weapons ban, but he learnt his lesson in 1990 by opposing it and the NRA supported him over his GOP opponent who had beat him in 1988.
As for Bernie critiquing her speech to Israel-he said she didn't speak up for the Palestinians-a few points.
1. Why didn't he go to AIPAC and make this case if he feels so strongly about it? It's ironic that you criticize what she said when you wouldn't take the time to speak yourself.
2. But the Daily Beast's Goldie Taylor linked to where Hillary said this at the AIPAC speech:
"Palestinians should be able to govern themselves in their own state, in peace and dignity."
https://twitter.com/EJDionne/status/720803997230039040
Many mentioned last night that Bernie was very angry and sarcastic. I think this is a few about a few things.
Whoever told Bernie to go relentlessly angry and negative gave him very, very bad advice. He's come this far because of his inspiration."
https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/720793919110270976
I think it's partly his temperament. He is not great in this kind of forum-he wants to be up on stage by himself preaching his Gospel.
It's frustrating for him in its very nature to have his ideas critiqued. Bernie is not about working well with others in politics.
The other part is: he's losing and so lashing out.
Bernie is now off to the Vatican, though the Pope is not meeting him. Have a good time Bernie, don't feel you have to hurry back.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/15/us/politics/bernie-sanders-vatican.html?_r=1&smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur
Whoever told Bernie to go relentlessly angry and negative gave him very, very bad advice. He's come this far because of his inspiration."
https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/720793919110270976
I think it's partly his temperament. He is not great in this kind of forum-he wants to be up on stage by himself preaching his Gospel.
It's frustrating for him in its very nature to have his ideas critiqued. Bernie is not about working well with others in politics.
The other part is: he's losing and so lashing out.
Bernie is now off to the Vatican, though the Pope is not meeting him. Have a good time Bernie, don't feel you have to hurry back.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/15/us/politics/bernie-sanders-vatican.html?_r=1&smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur
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