Kasich vs. Trump on Immigration

I discussed in an earlier post about how there are two basic primaries in this field-the one for the establishment vote and that for the outsider vote. 

Tonight, the establishment candidates didn't fight each other-Jeb is still smarting from going after Rubio last time-and neither did the outsiders fight each other. What we did see was the outsiders candidates involved in some proxy fights with the establishment candidates over immigration, Syria and Russia, and the future of Too Big to Fail. 

http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/11/first-reactions-from-tonights-gop-debate.html

Kasich picked the first such proxy fight with Trump on immigration. I find this description of the exchange rather irksome. 

"The debate in Milwaukee on Tuesday night met just about every Republican demand: open-ended questions, pliant moderators, complacent candidates. But it did not wear well. Jeb Bush, an exception to this overall dynamic, tried to bring a modicum of sobriety to the discussion by scolding his unrealistic adversaries. “They’re doing high-fives in the Clinton campaign right now when they hear this,” he said. Republicans should have listened to him."

"When Donald Trump promised (again) to round up and deport millions of unauthorized immigrants, both John Kasich and Bush stepped in to point out how implausible and inhumane such a plan would be. But arguably Kasich and Bush are stuck in the polling doldrums precisely because they take a realistic view of immigration policy."

"Ted Cruz ultimately chimed in on Trump's behalf with a canned response—“The Democrats are laughing, because if Republicans join Democrats as the party of amnesty, we will lose”—and was met with tremendous applause."

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/123426/republicans-got-debate-they-wanted-so-did-democrats

Here's why I've always talked about being a 'Trump Democrat' and such. Trump is not corrupting the GOP he's simply brining out what the party is. He's forcing the other candidates into giving the game away. 

Tom Brown and I have had a lot of disucssions over being reality based and this is why I don't think Trump is taking away from reality but the opposite. 

I mean what is Kaisch's plan as he's Mr. Reality?

"Kasich replied, “Well look, in 1986 Ronald Reagan basically said the people who were here, if they were law-abiding could stay. But, what didn’t happen we didn’t build a walls effectively and we didn’t control the border. We need to control our border just like people have to control who goes in and out of their house. But if people think that we are going to ship 11 million people who are law-abiding, who are in this country and somehow pick them up at their house and ship them out to Mexico. Think about the families? Think about the children. So, you know the answer really is? If they have been law-abiding, they pay a penalty. They get to stay. We protect the wall. anybody else comes over, they go back but for the 11 million people. Come on, folks. We all know you can’t pick them up and ship them across, back across the border. It is a silly argument. It is not an adult argument. It makes no sense.”

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/11/10/watch-donald-trump-and-john-kasich-battle-over-immigration/

I think that kind of says it all. He wants to build a wall as well. So when Trump talks about building a big beautiful wall, Kasich is all in with that.

So how is he anymore an adult? The 11 million thing may well just be hyperbole and he's not the first GOPer to suggest this anyway-Kaisch himself may well have said something along those lines himself at some point. 

Basically Trump is talking about a legal case where he would seek to 'clarify' what the 14th Amendment means--and doesn't mean. Does it really mean that the children of illegal immigrants are citizens? 

Certainly most legal scholars believe it does. But that's what Trump is talking about there. It's a mainstream GOP position. 

So Kasich is not the right one to talk about a reality based position on immigration. No one in the party is.