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Monday, November 16, 2015

Why Are There So Few Homegrown US Muslim Terrorists

On Saturday, I asked why France seems to keep being the victim of Jihad attacks.

http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/11/maajid-nawaz-on-why-france-continues-to.html

I think Paul Waldman does a good job here of suggesting why on the other hand we have seen so few terrorist attacks in the US by Muslim homegrown terrorists.

"Consider that the kind of attacks we saw in Paris would be simple to pull off in the United States, where acquiring all the guns and ammunition you want is easier than getting your hands on a box of Sudafed. Why have there been so few terrorist attacks in the U.S. by home-grown Muslim radicals? It’s not that someone who wants to kill a bunch of people faces some kind of practical impediment to doing so. It’s because American Muslims are much more integrated into the broader American community than their counterparts in Europe. American Muslims are less alienated and more patriotic, even despite the kind of harassment and surveillance so many of them have been subjected to in the last 14 years."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/11/15/the-silly-distracting-debate-over-whether-to-use-the-words-radical-islam/

This is a good point. The Right in France-like elsewhere-is claiming that there was this failure-no doubt the fault of the Left-for this attack. Time to get tough is going to be their takeaway no doubt.

But the French already have some very tough anti terrorist policies. Despite the apocalyptic response favored by the Right sometimes the answer is to stay the course as President Obama gets.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/paris-terror-attacks-isil-215907

What the French have also done, is been considerably harsher towards their own Muslim population-remember the anti Burqu law?

http://www.npr.org/2011/04/11/135305409/frances-burqa-ban-adds-to-anti-muslim-climate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_law_on_secularity_and_conspicuous_religious_symbols_in_schools

It's telling that the Right hasn't worried about an attack on religion in France despite such a heavy-handed 'secular law.'

But to our nation's credit, something like that would never happen here.

Waldman is also right that the debate over Radical Islam vs. Radical Jihad is silly.

"In case it isn’t clear: saying “radical jihadists” makes you weak, while saying “radical Islam” makes you strong. “The critique is that the softness of language betrays a softness of approach,” Dickerson said. Overall, Dickerson did a good job moderating the debate, asking substantive questions and trying to pin the candidates down when they attempted to evade. But this was definitely his low point."

Parenthetically, I don't agree, though that Dickerson did a good job-he was biased against Hillary. He did not pushback at Bernie the way he did with her answers and he even gave Bernie a lifeline on gun control by falsely claiming that Bernie and HRC are proposing the same policies now.

http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/11/in-2016-primary-it-seems-only-hillary.html

But on this silly gotcha stuff about Islamic terrorism I agree that Hillary is right. There's no reason to make Muslims feel like we're in a war against Islam-as this is exactly what ISIS is trying to sell to Muslims, precisely how they're trying to recruit them.


5 comments:

  1. Mike, you remember when W said we were attacked because "they hate us for our freedom?"

    While that sounds embarrassingly simplistic (and thus appropriate for W), nevertheless, W was miles ahead of some of the others on the right, as the maker of this brief video reminds us:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlNpTrDES70&index=107&list=PLC9D2567150212FD2

    Jerry Falwell, Chuck Colson, Dinesh D'souza, Bob Marshall, Peter Labarbera and the Archbishop of Guam... are some of the examples touched on: all implicitly aligning themselves with radical Islamic terrorists against secularism and the "cultural left" ... advancing the idea that we can defeat these extremists by being obedient to their extremist religious demands.

    I've seen more of this kind of thing in just the last few days... I see if I can dig up some examples.

    Yet these same conservative Christians would yell bloody murder if we proposed a litmus test of secular values before a church could obtain a tax break for example. And personally, I don't think that's a bad idea... that would exclude (from tax breaks) a few Christian groups like this that want to bring back Biblical style stoning, for example.

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    1. As I've written before, my favorite fantasy anti-Jihadi weapon is a "gay spray" to turn men flamboyantly gay (a fate far far worse than death to the average Islamic extremist, I'd bet... imagine thick clouds of gay spray wafting over the battlefield... Jihadi's w/o gas masks would probably be retreating in terror... Lol). Now imagine if such a weapon actually existed... whether it would be effective or not is another matter, but it'd be interesting to see where the Christian right would come down on the use of such a weapon. It's conceivable to me they would oppose it, even if it were proven effective, just because I'd guess they fear secularism and the "cultural left" more than they do Jihadis (with whom they actually share many values).

      Oh well, a useless thought experiment I guess. Back to reality. )c:

      I wonder if this "gay spray" idea could serve as the basis of a script for a politically incorrect comedy.... Hmmm

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  2. Speaking of the gay spray-not the first time you've brought it up; yes the Right would oppose it-reminds me of a piece Rachel Maddow has done about Denmark making the gay sailor their image or national symbol to troll Putin.

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  3. Here's an example of a Christian pastor implicitly siding with the terrorists against secular freedom:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xD05Gnj6fQ

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  4. One notable aspect of the GOP Benghazi conspiracy theory is how dismissive they are of the idea that a 'video' inspired the terrorists who hit out compound in Benghazi in 2011.

    In the video 'Pastor Terry' went out of his way to antagonize Muslims by burning a Koran.

    http://www.vice.com/read/talking-charlie-hebdo-with-pastor-terry-jones-at-his-french-fry-stand-in-florida-112

    It's as if they are even now after 4 years obsessed with somehow exonerating Jones.

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