This is a very fraught issue and why it's important to read someone like him with his background. Nawaz was formerly part of the Jihad movement himself and writes about how he got sucked in and how he got out.
What's interesting about him, is his story follows that of many-like the Boston terrorists-who grew up in Western Secular society and got sucked into Jihadism through popular culture, the Internet, and social media .
http://www.amazon.com/Radical-Journey-out-Islamist-Extremism-ebook/dp/B00MJD7CW0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1447547189&sr=8-1&keywords=maajid+nawaz
http://www.amazon.com/Islam-Future-Tolerance-Sam-Harris/dp/0674088700/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1447547189&sr=8-3&keywords=maajid+nawaz
Today he runs a foundation at the forefront of getting past Jihadism and coming to a real understanding.
"Maajid Nawaz is Co-Founder and Chairman of Quilliam – a globally active think tank focusing on matters of Integration, Citizenship & Identity, Religious Freedom, Extremism and Immigration - and Founder of Khudi, a Pakistan based social movement campaigning to entrench democratic culture among the nation’s youth."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/contributors/maajid-nawaz.html
Nawaz is clear that we have to grapple with the fact that Islamic terrorism is Islamic. This is something I haven't appreciated either.
"It’s time to confront Islamism head on—without cries of Islamophobia. Holding Islam up to scrutiny, rationally and ethically, must not be confused with anti-Muslim bigotry"
See as a liberal, I have had this problem too-I don't want to feel that I'm subtly promoting Islamophobia. But Nawaz makes the point that it's important to be able to distinguish the two.
"Talking about Islam today is a dangerous business. Disagreements about the role this religion plays in the world have become a wellspring of intolerance and violence. Cartoonists have been massacred in Paris to shouts of “We have avenged the Prophet!” Secular bloggers have been hacked to death in Bangladesh. Embassies have burned over YouTube videos. And young men and women by the thousands have abandoned their lives in free societies to join the apocalyptic savagery of ISIS. For years, Western politicians and commentators have struggled to understand this phenomenon. And many have struggled not to understand it, denying any link between “Muslim extremism” and the religion of Islam."
What is different with Nawa, is he says that Islam too must change. That it's misguided and harmful for liberals to give 'Islamism' or political Islam a pass.
"What most discussions of “Muslim extremism” miss, and what is obfuscated at every turn by commentators like Glenn Greenwald, Reza Aslan, Karen Armstrong—and even Nicholas Kristof and Ben Affleck—is the power of specific religious ideas such as martyrdom, apostasy, blasphemy, prophecy, and honor. These ideas do not represent the totality of Islam, but neither are they foreign to it. Nor do they exist in precisely the same way in other faiths. There is a reason why no one is losing sleep over the threat posed by Jain and Quaker “extremists.” Specific doctrines matter."
Again, you see why I prefer to cite him in his own words as this is an uncomfortable truth.
He makes the point in a new post that a defeat of Islamism won't come through how many Jihadists we will kill, this is a war of ideas.
http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/11/maajid-nawaz-on-why-france-continues-to.html
"Since 9/11, the whole focus of the international community has been on destroying terrorist organizations like al Qaeda and ISIS, as if they were mere criminal gangs that needed to be disrupted operationally. The briefest survey of the state of the world, from North Africa to the North-West Frontier, demonstrates that this strategy has failed, abysmally."
"The underlying ideology—we call it “Islamism”—has metastasized and must be confronted directly. After more than a decade of conventional, physical wars, we must finally wage an effective war of ideas."
Nawaz insists that we must not leave out the Islamic aspect of Islamic extremism and he's critical of President Obama in this regard.
"To call ISIS “un-Islamic,” as President Obama has repeatedly done, and as Prime Minister Cameron recently stopped doing, is to play a dangerous game with words. Calling out and combating the ideology of Islamism is the only way that non-Muslims can help those liberal Muslims who wish to reform their faith from within. And failing to do so means abandoning the most vulnerable in Muslim communities—women, gays, apostates, freethinkers, and intellectuals—people like Nobel Peace Prize nominee Raif Badawi, who is being lashed in Saudi Arabia for the “crime” of writing a blog."
This is very important. As a liberal, I want to help liberal Muslims first and foremost. Nawaz points out to do this requires a war of ideas more than arms.
Ok, so I've now written three pieces on the Paris bombing and the problem of Jihadmism without mentioning politics. A record for me!
I mean, there used to be a belief that politics stops at the waters edge. I wanted to just talk about the tragedy of the French people and what the real challenges in stemming violent Jihad really are.
Nawaz has some food for thought for liberals like me and President Obama. Nawaz also has a very interesting piece that I may write about in the next few days regarding the rise of political correctness in the US and England at college campuses.
This is another issue that I'v'e wanted to wade into but only with caution as I don't want to say the wrong thing there. I don't want to get on the side of the Right wing David Horowitz cabal about college campuses.
But it must be admitted that liberals have to be at least very concerned about the kinds of things we've seen happen at Mizzou University and Yale recently.
There seems to be a new hypersensitivity where historical books that have any thing in them that someone feels is racist or sexist should simply be thrown in the trash.
Nawaz argues that this new totalitarian version of political correctness also makes it impossible to call out Islamism-as this will be declared a 'microagression' and so forth.
Of course, politics stopping at the water's edge is a nice idea but in the age of Newt Gingrich-political discourse starting in the Newt age-this is no longer possible.
Yes, Repubcans are already trying to blame the Paris attack on President Obama. And the media will no doubt be trying to help them do this.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/after-paris-security-politics-215860
What's interesting about him, is his story follows that of many-like the Boston terrorists-who grew up in Western Secular society and got sucked into Jihadism through popular culture, the Internet, and social media .
http://www.amazon.com/Radical-Journey-out-Islamist-Extremism-ebook/dp/B00MJD7CW0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1447547189&sr=8-1&keywords=maajid+nawaz
http://www.amazon.com/Islam-Future-Tolerance-Sam-Harris/dp/0674088700/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1447547189&sr=8-3&keywords=maajid+nawaz
Today he runs a foundation at the forefront of getting past Jihadism and coming to a real understanding.
"Maajid Nawaz is Co-Founder and Chairman of Quilliam – a globally active think tank focusing on matters of Integration, Citizenship & Identity, Religious Freedom, Extremism and Immigration - and Founder of Khudi, a Pakistan based social movement campaigning to entrench democratic culture among the nation’s youth."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/contributors/maajid-nawaz.html
Nawaz is clear that we have to grapple with the fact that Islamic terrorism is Islamic. This is something I haven't appreciated either.
"It’s time to confront Islamism head on—without cries of Islamophobia. Holding Islam up to scrutiny, rationally and ethically, must not be confused with anti-Muslim bigotry"
See as a liberal, I have had this problem too-I don't want to feel that I'm subtly promoting Islamophobia. But Nawaz makes the point that it's important to be able to distinguish the two.
"Talking about Islam today is a dangerous business. Disagreements about the role this religion plays in the world have become a wellspring of intolerance and violence. Cartoonists have been massacred in Paris to shouts of “We have avenged the Prophet!” Secular bloggers have been hacked to death in Bangladesh. Embassies have burned over YouTube videos. And young men and women by the thousands have abandoned their lives in free societies to join the apocalyptic savagery of ISIS. For years, Western politicians and commentators have struggled to understand this phenomenon. And many have struggled not to understand it, denying any link between “Muslim extremism” and the religion of Islam."
What is different with Nawa, is he says that Islam too must change. That it's misguided and harmful for liberals to give 'Islamism' or political Islam a pass.
"What most discussions of “Muslim extremism” miss, and what is obfuscated at every turn by commentators like Glenn Greenwald, Reza Aslan, Karen Armstrong—and even Nicholas Kristof and Ben Affleck—is the power of specific religious ideas such as martyrdom, apostasy, blasphemy, prophecy, and honor. These ideas do not represent the totality of Islam, but neither are they foreign to it. Nor do they exist in precisely the same way in other faiths. There is a reason why no one is losing sleep over the threat posed by Jain and Quaker “extremists.” Specific doctrines matter."
Again, you see why I prefer to cite him in his own words as this is an uncomfortable truth.
He makes the point in a new post that a defeat of Islamism won't come through how many Jihadists we will kill, this is a war of ideas.
http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/11/maajid-nawaz-on-why-france-continues-to.html
"Since 9/11, the whole focus of the international community has been on destroying terrorist organizations like al Qaeda and ISIS, as if they were mere criminal gangs that needed to be disrupted operationally. The briefest survey of the state of the world, from North Africa to the North-West Frontier, demonstrates that this strategy has failed, abysmally."
"The underlying ideology—we call it “Islamism”—has metastasized and must be confronted directly. After more than a decade of conventional, physical wars, we must finally wage an effective war of ideas."
Nawaz insists that we must not leave out the Islamic aspect of Islamic extremism and he's critical of President Obama in this regard.
"To call ISIS “un-Islamic,” as President Obama has repeatedly done, and as Prime Minister Cameron recently stopped doing, is to play a dangerous game with words. Calling out and combating the ideology of Islamism is the only way that non-Muslims can help those liberal Muslims who wish to reform their faith from within. And failing to do so means abandoning the most vulnerable in Muslim communities—women, gays, apostates, freethinkers, and intellectuals—people like Nobel Peace Prize nominee Raif Badawi, who is being lashed in Saudi Arabia for the “crime” of writing a blog."
This is very important. As a liberal, I want to help liberal Muslims first and foremost. Nawaz points out to do this requires a war of ideas more than arms.
Ok, so I've now written three pieces on the Paris bombing and the problem of Jihadmism without mentioning politics. A record for me!
I mean, there used to be a belief that politics stops at the waters edge. I wanted to just talk about the tragedy of the French people and what the real challenges in stemming violent Jihad really are.
Nawaz has some food for thought for liberals like me and President Obama. Nawaz also has a very interesting piece that I may write about in the next few days regarding the rise of political correctness in the US and England at college campuses.
This is another issue that I'v'e wanted to wade into but only with caution as I don't want to say the wrong thing there. I don't want to get on the side of the Right wing David Horowitz cabal about college campuses.
But it must be admitted that liberals have to be at least very concerned about the kinds of things we've seen happen at Mizzou University and Yale recently.
There seems to be a new hypersensitivity where historical books that have any thing in them that someone feels is racist or sexist should simply be thrown in the trash.
Nawaz argues that this new totalitarian version of political correctness also makes it impossible to call out Islamism-as this will be declared a 'microagression' and so forth.
Of course, politics stopping at the water's edge is a nice idea but in the age of Newt Gingrich-political discourse starting in the Newt age-this is no longer possible.
Yes, Repubcans are already trying to blame the Paris attack on President Obama. And the media will no doubt be trying to help them do this.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/after-paris-security-politics-215860
So W gets no blame for 9/11 but Obama gets blame for what happened in a country 5000 miles away.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/cia-directors-documentary-911-bush-213353
There are as noted above perhaps some criticism of the President's practice of leaving Islam out of Islamic terror. But just the same, it's not clear how this vindicates W's war in Iraq.
And as Nawaz argues, it's not about physical but ideological war first and foremost.
It's been said that tonight's Democratic debate has been put where the fewest will watch it. LOL.
In the aftermath of yesterday there will be more questions about foreign policy and ISIS.
This I think may help HRC as it's really a major area of expertise for her with her time on Armed Services Committee in the Senate and then Obama's Secretary of State.
Now doubt there will be questions about Obama's ISIS policy to get her to criticize him or throw her on the defensive but after seeing her Benghazi testimony I have little doubt she'll hit this out of the park
Ok, I'm gong to get ready to watch the debate. Talk to you soon.
This headline caught my eye:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/world/middleeast/beirut-lebanon-attacks-paris.html?_r=0
I can imagine... being in certain parts of the world, this outpouring of world wide grief for France and Paris must seem a little strange (not that I'm opposed to it).
However, why weren't we all saying "We are all Lebanese now" or "We are all Russians now"or "We are all Turkish now" after the recent horrific attacks on those countries? We'd be saying it every other day about Nigeria. Maybe it's because we can't identify with those countries or people as much... none of those countries is officially at war as far as I know... so we must collectively think "Well, those people are different... they *expect* that kind of treatment." Don't you think?
OK, this is going to sound a little sick, but I always wonder about these attacks in a crowded venue like this... from a purely number of causalities point of view. How many people actually died in Aurora... not that many considering the amount of ammunition the guy brought with him, right?
ReplyDeleteNow these Bataclan attacks... they say that show was sold out and it held about 1500 people inside (that's not an official number of attendees, I'm just going off the "sold out" phrase I've seen used and a separate venue capacity I saw). Now there were four attackers with suicide vests... and plenty of loaded magazines... one witness said they reloaded 3 or 4 times in 10 minutes of shooting. Each magazine holds 30 rounds typically. I've also heard more like 20 minutes of shooting. It's possible to empty a 30 round magazine with a fully automatic rifle in a second or two. In semi-automatic mode, probably more like 5 seconds. But perhaps they were being more careful... aiming and squeezing off a shot at a time... once the initial burst of gunfire happened. Maybe they really thought this out carefully... knowing that if they could wound as many as possible in the 1st few seconds, they could spend the rest of the time conserving ammo and picking off the survivors trying to drag themselves towards and exist... or perhaps guarding each other in case somebody tried to rush them. Then there was about 2 hours of the hostage standoff. 89 deaths is certainly a huge number... with perhaps 100s more wounded... but I guess I'm a little surprised it's not a bigger number. I'm not trying to stir up any kind of conspiracy theory here, I'm just wondering about the mechanics of this kind of thing... it appears that the seats were removed from the ground floor level (no place to hide) and people were packed in pretty densely... so these guys come in and start shooting (how could they miss?), and people fall to the floor once they realize what's going on. That must be the problem from the terrorists' point of view: telling the live ones from the already dead. Survivors always seem to recount how they played dead and tried to stay quiet until they had a chance to run for it. At least the ones that were pinned down and didn't have a chance to run right away.
Also the suicide bombs seem to be ineffective compared to the assault rifles... very few were killed outside the stadium for example.
The first half of this short vid is an interesting take on small arms vs suicide bombs vs nerve gas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiQuCdv3A98
Hey Tom. I've already changed my mind on using the phrase 'Islamic terrorism' after last night's debate! I'm about to write about it now.
ReplyDeleteI'll check it out. Also check out Bill Maher's guest on Friday... Muslim woman who says she's a liberal and feminist. Bill and her are on the same page... As is that video I link to above.
DeleteAsra Nomani is her name. What's funny is on the panel, which included Rebublican Michael Steele, Bill was the most conservative voice on most of the topics!... Lol
DeleteAsra was not on the panel.
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