The media has been full of stories about Rubio's surge in the polls the last few weeks.
http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-medias-new-narrative-marco-rubio.html
"With the summer of Trump coming to a close, it seems, we are at the cusp of a new stage of the campaign where the non-silly-season favorites begin to assert themselves and the race finally gets serious. And there is good reason why that means Rubio’s stock is on the rise: With Scott Walker out and Jeb Bush giving his own backers serious heartburn, Rubio is the only member of the GOP establishment’s former Big Three who appears to be heading in the right direction. As New York magazine’s Benjamin Wallace-Wells correctly put it Friday, "it is startling how well the race has gone for Rubio so far." If not Marco, the logic goes, then who?
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/10/09/marco_rubio_is_not_actually_surging_in_the_gop_campaign.html
Here''s what I don't get. Why after seeing the GOP not even able to elect its own Speaker does John Voorhes believe that the silly season ever ends in the GOP primary? What makes him think the normal Republican party isn't silly?
Was Bruce Bartlett too optimistic?
"Will latest wanker stupidity finally convince mainstream media to stop taking them seriously, treat them like the fools that they are?"
https://twitter.com/BruceBartlett
By the way where is the evidence that the Summer of Trump is actually over? Carly Fiorina had allegedly owned him in that debate but her numbers are now lower than before her surge as we've seen just what a congenital liar she really is-as well as the record of not just her terrible record at HP but how she failed to ven pay campaign workers in her 2010 Senate run.
Back to Rubio. Voorhes seems to like the Rubio narrative as of course the GOP will elect an establishment candidate and Rubio is the only one that even looks plausible.
"The thing is: The race hasn’t gone that well for Rubio. Personally, I’m largely on board with this Rubio-will-win-by-default line of thinking. But it’s worth noting given the current hype cycle that, to date, he has yet to translate the buzz into anything tangible. Put simply, there just isn’t a whole lot of concrete evidence to suggest that Marco’s current “momentum” is much more than the product of the wishful thinking of a nervous Republican Party and the predictions of a bored political press corp."
Thank you. I think there's kind of a vacuum. If Trump has now lost support who has taken it from him? Not Fiorina whose surge didn't last.
Scott Walker's gone. Jeb is as Trump says a disaster.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-10-08/bloomberg-politics-focus-groups-jeb-bush-not-impressing-voters-in-iowa-new-hampshire?cmpid=BBD100815_POL
So kind of process of elimination the only other establishment choice is Rubio. So it's sort of assumed based on the theory that Trump is done than any actual empirical verification of this theory for which there isn't much.
Basically, there is no Rubio surge but the press thinks there should be one.
What the press still seems determined not to admit is that so far Trump's numbers are reminiscent not of Rick Perry, Hermain Cane or New Gingrich in 2012 but Mitt Romney's.
It's clear that Fiorina went through discovery, scrutiny, and decline. Meanwhile, Rubio may have been discovered by the press but this hasn't led to any surge in the polls.
At this point Trump is Romney. As determined as the Beltway is to just keep insisting they're right and at some point in the future sometime one of their sserious caniddates is going to take over, there has been zero proof of this so far.
I understand the narrative that the establishment will ultimately win. My guess is if Trump really did start winning primary after primary in state after state the party machinery would figure out some way to cheat him. Tom Brown documents what I still think is a very plausible narrative:
"Trump as 3rd party would be great... especially if he ends up winning just a few more votes than the Republican candidate. Ideally Trump has the nomination all wrapped up, but the party leadership decides to shut it down during the convention, leading to a full rebellion of lunatics, who not only vote for the Trump / Carson (or Trump / Cruz), but permanently abandon the GOP for good. Also, wouldn't it be sweet if the lunatics insisted they should be able to "open carry" at the GOP convention and the "leadership" acquiesces to their demands... perhaps even leading to a live televised shoot out between different extremists factions right there on the floor of the convention! Lol. I'd love to see the right wing media whores explain how the real problem was not enough guns in the convention hall."
http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/10/has-modern-gop-reached-limits-of.html?showComment=1444441587728#c1460648126903104314
I actually got into a quick tweet discussion with Jon Bernstein the other day-it was particularly quick on his end. LOL.
But his answer to my argument that this GOP primary could be different was that exceptions to the rules happen but not very often.
But isn't this the time for this rare event to happen? I mean is there any greater outlier than today's GOP whether you're looking at the presidential race or trying to elect a House Speaker?
UPDATE: I should add that the Rubio surge is kind of like Rubio's own Senate career at this point-no one ever actually sees him in the Senate anymore.
http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-medias-new-narrative-marco-rubio.html
"With the summer of Trump coming to a close, it seems, we are at the cusp of a new stage of the campaign where the non-silly-season favorites begin to assert themselves and the race finally gets serious. And there is good reason why that means Rubio’s stock is on the rise: With Scott Walker out and Jeb Bush giving his own backers serious heartburn, Rubio is the only member of the GOP establishment’s former Big Three who appears to be heading in the right direction. As New York magazine’s Benjamin Wallace-Wells correctly put it Friday, "it is startling how well the race has gone for Rubio so far." If not Marco, the logic goes, then who?
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/10/09/marco_rubio_is_not_actually_surging_in_the_gop_campaign.html
Here''s what I don't get. Why after seeing the GOP not even able to elect its own Speaker does John Voorhes believe that the silly season ever ends in the GOP primary? What makes him think the normal Republican party isn't silly?
Was Bruce Bartlett too optimistic?
"Will latest wanker stupidity finally convince mainstream media to stop taking them seriously, treat them like the fools that they are?"
https://twitter.com/BruceBartlett
By the way where is the evidence that the Summer of Trump is actually over? Carly Fiorina had allegedly owned him in that debate but her numbers are now lower than before her surge as we've seen just what a congenital liar she really is-as well as the record of not just her terrible record at HP but how she failed to ven pay campaign workers in her 2010 Senate run.
Back to Rubio. Voorhes seems to like the Rubio narrative as of course the GOP will elect an establishment candidate and Rubio is the only one that even looks plausible.
"The thing is: The race hasn’t gone that well for Rubio. Personally, I’m largely on board with this Rubio-will-win-by-default line of thinking. But it’s worth noting given the current hype cycle that, to date, he has yet to translate the buzz into anything tangible. Put simply, there just isn’t a whole lot of concrete evidence to suggest that Marco’s current “momentum” is much more than the product of the wishful thinking of a nervous Republican Party and the predictions of a bored political press corp."
Thank you. I think there's kind of a vacuum. If Trump has now lost support who has taken it from him? Not Fiorina whose surge didn't last.
Scott Walker's gone. Jeb is as Trump says a disaster.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-10-08/bloomberg-politics-focus-groups-jeb-bush-not-impressing-voters-in-iowa-new-hampshire?cmpid=BBD100815_POL
So kind of process of elimination the only other establishment choice is Rubio. So it's sort of assumed based on the theory that Trump is done than any actual empirical verification of this theory for which there isn't much.
Basically, there is no Rubio surge but the press thinks there should be one.
What the press still seems determined not to admit is that so far Trump's numbers are reminiscent not of Rick Perry, Hermain Cane or New Gingrich in 2012 but Mitt Romney's.
It's clear that Fiorina went through discovery, scrutiny, and decline. Meanwhile, Rubio may have been discovered by the press but this hasn't led to any surge in the polls.
At this point Trump is Romney. As determined as the Beltway is to just keep insisting they're right and at some point in the future sometime one of their sserious caniddates is going to take over, there has been zero proof of this so far.
I understand the narrative that the establishment will ultimately win. My guess is if Trump really did start winning primary after primary in state after state the party machinery would figure out some way to cheat him. Tom Brown documents what I still think is a very plausible narrative:
"Trump as 3rd party would be great... especially if he ends up winning just a few more votes than the Republican candidate. Ideally Trump has the nomination all wrapped up, but the party leadership decides to shut it down during the convention, leading to a full rebellion of lunatics, who not only vote for the Trump / Carson (or Trump / Cruz), but permanently abandon the GOP for good. Also, wouldn't it be sweet if the lunatics insisted they should be able to "open carry" at the GOP convention and the "leadership" acquiesces to their demands... perhaps even leading to a live televised shoot out between different extremists factions right there on the floor of the convention! Lol. I'd love to see the right wing media whores explain how the real problem was not enough guns in the convention hall."
http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/10/has-modern-gop-reached-limits-of.html?showComment=1444441587728#c1460648126903104314
I actually got into a quick tweet discussion with Jon Bernstein the other day-it was particularly quick on his end. LOL.
But his answer to my argument that this GOP primary could be different was that exceptions to the rules happen but not very often.
But isn't this the time for this rare event to happen? I mean is there any greater outlier than today's GOP whether you're looking at the presidential race or trying to elect a House Speaker?
UPDATE: I should add that the Rubio surge is kind of like Rubio's own Senate career at this point-no one ever actually sees him in the Senate anymore.
I really hope that the "Freedom Caucus" pushes to allow "open carry" in the House. What could be freer than that? After all, it's a well known fakt in right wing fantasy land that gun free zones are kill zones. No more gun free zones! Lol. Maybe they just haven't thought of it yet. I hope one of them reads the comments here.
ReplyDeleteI especially gagged on a few of the other protester's signs (from Obama's visit to Oregon). Like this one:
"I'm a Christian.
Why didn't God stop the shootings?
How could he? He's not allowed in schools ANYMORE!"
That's deeply moronic on several levels. How could someone write out that sign and then think it was a good idea to carry it around? I don't get it. You might as well hold up a sign saying "I'm a moron and proud of it!"
This one is almost as bad:
"Prayers not Politics"
Yes, because we all know prayers have been proven so effective. The sign basically says "I demand fantasy solutions to my problems rather than real ones!!!"
Come to think of it, "Prayers not politics" could as well be "Prayers not policy" or "Prayers not reality."
ReplyDeleteI suspect that pretty well sums up why fundamentalists are so often drawn to the right wing and hate government. They need people to despair of any chance of self-government so they turn to totalitarian (yet "merciful") religion as a substitute. Don't ask questions! Obey God!!! (as interpreted by us). You don't need health care, you need more prayer!! .. and God needs your money, so hand it over.
Regarding surges, I've noticed that Jennifer Rubin is so eager to see anybody but Trump or Carson "surge" she writes about it almost everyday... hoping (perhaps) she can wish it to happen by BSing about it. (She actually thinks Carson is a worse choice than Trump... I'm inclined to agree... I've been anti-Carson since the day he first opened his mouth on camera).
ReplyDeleteI don't know if you read it but I spoke about an encounter I had with Jon Bernstein on Twitter where I questioned his and the rest of the media's assumptions that darn whatever the polls say, the establishment will win in the end.
ReplyDeleteHe admitted that the rules are occasionally broken but it's very rare. But surely this is shaping up to be a very rare electoral cycle based both on the GOP primary and House.
Carson is this studied contradiction where on the one hand he seems way too soft spoken to even be a politician but then when you do get him talking he says the craziest things imaginable.
I'd be all for him winning the primary though as well though you know Trump is my first choice by far.
My assumption is neither would have a snowball's chance of hell in beating Hillary
Yes, I saw that bit about your twitter exchange. Also I saw both George Will and someone on MSNBC (I think Chris Hayes) make a case for Ted Cruz being a "sleeper candidate" should the conventional wisdom regarding the non-politicians actually turn out to be correct. I guess Ted let it slip that he doesn't think Trump will last, but he thinks he'll pick up his supporters.
DeleteI'm not sure whom I find most repulsive... Carson or Cruz. I don't think Carson is stupid, but I do think he's genuinely ignorant about many subjects and deeply deluded. I think Cruz is just a deeply cynical huckster through and through. I find it very difficult to believe that Cruz actually believes his own BS. Which is worse? You say the one most likely to do well against Hilary, I know, but I mean should either actually occupy the WH? Which is worse?