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Thursday, October 29, 2015

The Lies of Marco Rubio

So the pundits are hailing Rubio's win. I always get kind of frustrated with the Very Serious Pundits as so often they pronounce less what happened or even what seems to have plausibly happened but rather what they think should have happened.

They have been pushing a Rubio surges story for a month now and so far it's born little resemblance to reality.

http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-rubio-surge-exists-nowhere-except.html?showComment=1444516751669#c1370654832864847725

It's easy to understand where this narrative comes from. They are presuming the theory of most political scientists-The Party Decides theory of primary campaigns.

I don't dispute that this theory normally does pretty well in predicting and analyzing primaries but I have been impatient with the the blanket refusal of these serious pundits to consider that maybe it really is different this time.

Sometimes it really is different. The GOP seems to be in a level of truly unprecedented dysfunction this election cycle between their House leadership struggles and all these wildeyed Presidential candidates. Deep bench indeed.

Nate Silver I'm happy to report has finally looked at the chance that GOP dysfunction makes this a year when possibly it is different this time.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/maybe-republicans-really-are-in-disarray/

So if most pundits presume that the party always decides then clearly the choice is going to be Rubio or Jeb. With all Jeb's clear weaknesses as a candidate it stands to reason that therefore Rubio has to be the guy as we know that it will be one of the two as the party decides.

So the pundits are telling us Rubio hit a grand slam but then they've been promoting him for months. Nevetheless, if the other big narrative is true-that Jeb was crushed

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/jeb-bush-cnbc-republican-debate/

then it stands to reason by default it was a big night for Rubio.

There's a Daily Caller piece out that asks if being a skilled liar is a requirement for higher office. It's a hit piece on Hillary Clinton.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/28/has-being-a-skilled-liar-become-a-qualification-for-high-office/#ixzz3ptRPatH1

I don't agree that HRC's any kind of a liar, of course. But I do think there's a case that being a skilled liar is a requirement for being declared winner of a GOP debate.

Think about it, in the last debate, Carly Fiorina was coronated the big debate winner.

http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/09/the-lies-of-carly-fiorina_18.html

Her stellar performance was based on mawkish lies about a phony Planned Parenthood video and her own business record.

Now Rubio is being crowned King despite his lies about his personal debt. For some background on his personal debt please see this Washington Post piece.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/06/10/heres-the-real-issue-with-marco-rubios-finances/

While he demands rectitude out of us-he wants to go on a Holy War against government debt-he is personally profligate.

Last night when asked about this he flat out lied. What is a good sign is that conservatives like Ann Coulter-of all people-and Joe Scarborough are calling him out for his lies last night.

We'll see how this plays out. Does Rubio get the bounce the pundits are suggesting?

My one thought is that if Jeb is either down or out after this then by definition you will see some rise in Rubio's polls-if Jeb leaves, you'd presume that Rubio's nubmers would basically double-they both have about 7% in national polls.

I do agree with Greg Sargent's post this morning about Rubio. He is potentially a dangerous candidate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/10/29/why-marco-rubio-is-so-effective-and-dangerous/

When you compare him and Jeb it's clear why the establishment would go with Rubio. Rubio wins hands down on the biography primary.

Unlike Jeb, he's considerably younger and can claim to be a new, fresh face. He would be able to hit HRC as being a 'dynasty candidate' whereas Jeb is the ultimate dynasty candidate.

I don't thin Rubio would beat Hillary-I don't think anyone in this clown car will-she must have been watching that debate last night humming Send in the Clowns where her only question is which clown she gets to beat up.

But I do think if you're the establishment you would logically think Rubio's winning biography has a better chance than Jeb's George W. Bush restoration tour.





20 comments:

  1. I was pretty close with Rubin's headline... although it was the post immediately before rather than after the "Morning Bits":

    "The third GOP debate: Rubio soars"

    Of course that was pretty easy to predict.

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  2. Hey Mike, Greg here

    I know its been a while since I successfully posted a comment here. Ive tried sending you a couple emails to the address at your profile but you must noir be getting those anymore.

    I stopped commenting here when I continued to get some horrid adware virus that would lock my computer in a death spiral or my iPad would just freeze. Ive got both of the devices cleared but I all not use them to ogo to your site anymore. Im at a public computer at a Schlotskys on my day off and I will likely try this a couple times a month just to keep in your loop a little

    You've really been on a roll and I can't begin to comment on everything Ive had an opinion about over the last couple months. Its good to see Tom has more than picked up my slack lately

    Ill just say that I agree with you about Trump. He's been and will continue to be good for democrats. He has attacked republicans in ways that no liberal/progressive could get away with and he continues to expose the party as driven by a base of low information, reactionary haters. I'm loving it!!

    I do not completely agree with you on Bernie though. I definitely think he can win. I think if you listed his positions on most issues to the average person and dint assign a name to those positions or the words "democratic socialist" you would find broad agreement across both parties. He's the only one who has talked seriousl;y and consistently about real issues all along.

    I like Hillary for the most part but she is a Robert Rubin/Larry Summers democrat, which is more of a conservative lite. Which means economically they are technocratic monetarists who do agree that privatization of services is best. They believe that without evidence in most cases (education) and in spite of evidence elsewhere (our prison debacle…. I won't call it a system… its organized crime) Only Bernie full throatedly will defend what a good and smart govt should do for general welfare.

    If you will update your email address at your profile I will start communicating via email with you

    Later, keep up the good work

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    1. I'm sorry about the adware. I've dropped that advertising platform now. You should have no further problems with it.

      What I can also tell you is I'm now a Amazon Affiliate.

      I know in the past you had wanted to help me out with a small donation when now and then when you could.

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    2. Im a little scared to try and comment form my home computer to be honest. If i get into that adware death spiral again I might buy a gun just to shoot my computer!!

      I can read posts and follow comments but as soon as I hit "publish" the fun begins

      Im a little gun shy to be honest

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    3. Ill definitely try using amazon form your site

      Gotta run, Schlotskys has a time limit on their public computers

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    4. On Bernie it'' starts from the fact that I'm for Hillary. I've always been a fan of hers since 1992 when everyone was on her because of her mentioning Tammy Wynette in that Diane Sawyer interview.

      So wetther he's electable or not isn't the point for me anyway as I want her to be elected and think she's very electable probably more so than him.

      For me and I have noticed that even some Bernie supporters have come around to this view, change for now will be incremental anyway.

      It' fine to have a debate over whether Bernie's $15 MW or HRC's $11 is a better approach. Neither will pass the GOP Congress.

      What matters then is the ability to build a coalition, administrative abilities, and the know how to wield executive power.

      After seeing her in that Benghazi testimony I think most agree she's be the best for that.

      I look at it this way. The Dem agenda is not who can make the most progressive campaign promsies in a stump speech but:

      1. Consolidating the President's achievements. Obama's legacy will be under furious attack.

      2. Taking back the balance in the SJC. If we want to change the rollback on voting rights, abortion rights, and Citizen's United it starts here.

      I don't agree that Bernie is more electable in a general either. Party matters not just ideology. Bernie has always refused to say he's a Democrat. This hurts him in the party no matter his positions.

      I think Bernie is a good teammate for Team Dem but HRC is clearly the QB.

      Then we get to the fact that on some issues Bernie is not best. He is dead wrong about gun control Someone who voted against the Brady Bill is not strong on gun control.

      He's also questionable on immigration. Even financial reform she might have a better plan as it's not just focused on 'bigness' but the shadow banking system.

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    5. I know the adware was bad. Again, I know exactly where it came from-an ad platform called Revenue Hits.

      Their popups turned out to be way too aggressive and once I realized this I got rid of it.

      Tom can attest that the wild popups are gone. He remembers them!

      Tom can you reassure Greg that the hyper popups are gone?

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    6. Yes, I haven't had problems for a month or two now I'd say.

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  3. Didn't expect to see my name with the comment.I posted as anonymous

    Oh well!

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  4. We agree on Trump and most other matters to be sure. I think as far as the Dems go the faster we get a nominee the better for us in the general.

    I don't see the advantage of endless hairsplitting to prove who's most progressive. As we have a GOP House and no one seems to think the Dems have much hope taking it back until after the 2020 Census it's a wash anway.

    Another issue I think Hillary is better on and Rachel Maddow pointed it out is that unlike even Obama-you know Im a big fan of his-she won't come in with any illusions that she can work with GOPers.

    I think you can argue that HRC in 2009 would never have wasted time and political capital on trying to get GOP votes for his stimulus, healthcare and financial reform bills.

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  5. Great to have you back commenting though and again the ad malware is gone so it's totally safe.

    If we got you back and commenting as much as you used to with an Olympic commentator like Tom, we'd be in business!

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  6. Tom can you reassure Greg that the hyper popups are gone? We need him back commenting often. LOL

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  7. Hi Greg!

    I have not had trouble for some time (one or two months maybe?), so I don't think you'll have problems.

    "What is a good sign is that conservatives like Ann Coulter-of all people..."

    Ann, Laura, Breitbart and Levin will never trust Rubio. They think he tried to "brown up" America, so he's a despicable traitor to them I'd think. Nothing else matters (says Ann).

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  8. Imagine a thought experiment: a new "Google glass" that lets you know precisely when somebody lies... a little info box is projected above their head with the references to prove it, but more viscerally a red light starts blinking above their head, and you're reminded of their overall "truth history." Lol...

    Now lets say this is marketed by showing you how it works on dishonest salesmen, etc. So it has "proven" utility.

    Now imagine a GOP debate. My guess: The audience wouldn't WANT to take them. In fact I'd bet such devices would have terrible sales amongst the base in general. They'd be constantly reminded of the BS they're immersed in every day, and that would just piss them off. The market would probably dictate that Google add an alternative reality selector switch.

    Of course this is purely a fantasy thought experiment... although I wonder if it couldn't be turned into a laboratory social experiment of some kind. Hmmm

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    1. Here's that "alternative reality" switch I was talking about:
      http://www.salon.com/2015/10/29/how_about_a_debate_moderated_by_sean_hannity_mark_levin_and_rush_limbaugh_ted_cruz_blasts_democrats_cheerleaders_for_ruining_gop_debates/

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    2. Well there are already shows in this vein. There is a show called ;Lie to Me' where the guy claims he knows the truth simply by looking at someone.

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1235099/fullcredits/

      There have been other shows since about the science of determining truth or lies.

      In all honesty I don't get how it works. What if I say what I believe to be true but what I believe to be true is false?

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  9. Or what about lies of omission or partial lies? Can it measure degrees of honesty?

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    1. Sure. It's pure fantasy, so why not? Maybe it color codes them. Blue is "true" and "red" is 100% false. Colors in between mean "it's complicated." How big the indicator is means how important it estimates the statement is to you. So "I did not have sex with that woman" might be small, but "mercury in the water supply makes you healthier" might be large.

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  10. Like I said there are at least a few tv series based on this idea. Maybe you should look into patenting it!

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