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Tuesday, September 1, 2015

Geoff Waite vs. Donald Trump on Intenionality

In a recent post I discussed him and his fascinating mind fuck of a book on Nietzsche.

http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/08/on-bullshit-trump-nietzsche-and-waite.html

http://www.amazon.com/Nietzsches-Corps-Technoculture-Post-Contemporary-Interventions/dp/0822317192/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1440956404&sr=8-1&keywords=geoff+waite

After reading a book like this I don't see how you can ever be quite the same again-which may or may not be a bad thing. Of course, many people will find it hard to believe that a mere book can have this sort of impact-not necessarily those with the best imaginations.

Anyway a central charge of Waite against Nietzsche in his 'Decelebration of Nietzsche' is that Nietzsche is pernicious as he writes in an esoteric style-one that makes distinctions between readers.

Basically there are two kinds of readers Right Nietzscheans and Left Nietzschoids and he says something different to each.

He insists that going forward in reading Nietzsche-or anyone else-it's vital that we put the issue of intentionality at the forefront-both the author's and ours.

But that's just it. It seems to me that with the fascinating Know Nothing campaign of Trump

http://www.amazon.com/Nietzsches-Corps-Technoculture-Post-Contemporary-Interventions/dp/0822317192/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1440956404&sr=8-1&keywords=geoff+waite

http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/08/rush-limbaugh-on-know-nothing-movement.html

it doesn't matter what his intentions are. Like some have pointed out that he's an incredible social satirist

http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/08/why-stephen-colbert-loves-trump.html

whether intentional or not. My guess it's mostly not but maybe partly is-like 35%.

But the beauty of it is it doesn't really matter that much. Here Jonathan Chait games out the endgame and concludes that whether Trump has a plan or doesn't it all comes out the same-he will end up going third party.
"There are two broad possibilities that explain Trump’s campaign. The first is that he has no real plan. His presidential run is the extension of his broader public persona — a bid for attention and to carry out grudges. Trump is running to spite the reporters and pundits who predicted he would never actually enter the race. Or perhaps he started out trying to grab attention, and simply kept going. Or he actually wants to be president in some vague way, and believes or hopes the force of his personality will carry him through. Or he just hates Jeb Bush a lot — one “Trump associate” told the Washington Post that Trump “has two goals: One, to be elected president, and two, to have Jeb not be president” — and would drop out of the race if Scott Walker or Marco Rubio supplants Bush."

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/what-is-the-trump-endgame.html

Reason enough to like him in my view.

"If this is the case, then sooner or later — probably later — Trump will come to grips with the reality that he cannot win the Republican nomination. The field will narrow, the voters will get more realistic, and he will have to defeat a candidate who can be relied upon to carry out the Republican policy agenda."

Not necessarily. It's possible the voters don't get more realistic and the GOP has to use some kind of GOP insider chicanery-one idea already floated was trying to keep him off the ballot in certain places like SC.

More likely than this I would guess is the delegates refusing to answer the call for him even if their state has voted for him. Which would give him great justification for running in the mind of the base that supports him.

"The second possibility is that Trump actually has a plan. If you analyze his behavior from the premise that he has in mind a specific destination, and not just a journey, then it is possible to make sense of it. Trump is running to the right of the rest of the Republican field on immigration, but to its left on role-of-government issues. He is not talking much about Obamacare (and he has praised single-payer insurance). He has assailedhis opponents for proposing to cut social-insurance programs. (“They're attacking Social Security — the Republicans — they're attacking Medicare and Medicaid, but they're not saying how to make the country rich again.”) He’s called his opponents “puppets” of the Koch brothers, and proposed to raise taxes on the rich."

"If all this is indeed the result of a considered plan, then the plan is probably not to become the Republican candidate for president. The plan is probably to run an independent campaign. Trump needs to initially declare himself as a Republican, because the primaries are the source of the media attention at this stage of the race. Running as a Republican gives him access to Iowa state fairs, nationally televised debates, and other venues for attention. But Trump is, at best, going through the motions of making himself acceptable to the party regulars. At worst he is actively antagonizing them. By this line of thought, Trump’s strategy is to provoke a break that would allow him to claim he has been driven out of the GOP, or that the party is not worthy of him, setting the stage for an independent candidacy."

"In other words, both assumptions — that Trump has a plan, and that he has no plan — lead to the same outcome: Trump runs a third-party race. These are not foregone conclusions, of course. But the looming prospect of an independent Trump campaign is already serious enough to have set off frantic maneuvering"

So from the point of view of results at least Trump''s intentions really don't matter. This has been  fascinating as Trump's campaign surely is the first one so blatantly esoteric in a long time.

Yet, contrary to Waite I think you can argue the effects have overall been very positive. 

7 comments:

  1. Well, as one author of one book you mention, I'd say that Nietzsche, in only one of his moods, would have been viscerally disgusted (vomited was one of his key terms) by Donald Trump. In one of his other moods, that of the philological, he would see in Trumserism an obvious revenant of the archaic rhetoric of "giving to understand": that is, one conceals what one means, without any responsibly, to force others, by their 'filling in the silences" to act, feel, and act.

    In other words, what you call "mind fuck" is a global one, and has very, very little to do with either Fred or Donald.

    Geoff Waite

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  2. So we meet again. Thank you for dropping by. We had previously exchanged emails

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  3. I just attempted to email you at your old Cornell email but that has disappeared evidently.

    I guess you're no longer teaching there. I had noticed you haven't been listed on the curriculum since 2008.

    In the past we had emailed a few times. My email is: nymike_sax@yahoo.com

    I'm fascinated how you became aware of this post.

    Anyway, while I give a tribute to Nietzsche in my blog title-Im actually moving to wordpress very soon which is much better on formatting and presentation-

    Here is my new address. I will start publishing there in about a week

    http://lastmenandovermen.com/

    -the original title was 'Diary of a Republican Hater'-but I changed it a year ago as advertisers decided it's promoting hate.

    Ironic that it's not ok to hate those who promote hate.

    We saw this again with the media freakout over Hillary's 'Deplorables' flap.

    That in the Beltway media's mind is the 47% moment: not what Trump has said about Hispanics, Muslims, black folks, women, and many other groups.

    Pathetic.

    Anyway, I always thought that my old title was a little too on the nose: or as your book might put it, it was 'too exoteric.' Originally I had meant to call it 'Abortion on Demand' but I forgot this at the moment I had to name the blog.

    Of course, that title was ironic too when I used the phrase at Daily KOS they thought I was mocking women rather than mocking those who mock women.

    So I figured I'd go to the Nietzsche-Zarathustra reference as no one will be offended by that-as most won't even get the reference.

    It's sort of a little inside joke or piece of social commentary that very few will get; but you are one of those few!

    Anyway, I'd be honored if you come again often.

    You had grown weary of my emails a few years ago. You gave me a polite excuse and then we never conversed again.

    That didn't surprise me. I knew at some point you'd probably do that, the only question was how quickly? The answer was: very quickly. Maybe about 2 weeks.

    After all, there are those who say yes and those who say no. We both know that you are one who wants to say no.

    As Zizekretells it: 'I would prefer not to.'

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  4. Regarding Trump I agree that's how Nietzsche would react to him.

    You could argue that despite my Nietzsche allusion in the title, this blog since i started it in 2011 is mostly regarding 'timely matters' though as you say, Nietzsche is a man for all times.

    But as I'm trying to influence the current conversation I have to stick largely to 'timely matters'-though ones that I believe are highly relevant and may well have untimely implications.

    That's how I survey timely events. In that vein, I am legitimately very concerned about Trump.

    America truly is at a precipice now. Will the country affirm what is best or worst in its history and nature?

    God help us all if we choose Trump.

    As someone with your background in German Studies, you know all too well that what happened in 1933 can happen again.

    There are people who invoke the 'Godwin Law' if you liken Trump to Hitler.

    Why? They seem not to get that Hitler was elected too.

    But when you look at the international picture you see that Trump is not the exception but the rule.

    You have Brexit, Mary La Pen, you have the Right doing well also in France, getting 20% of the vote in Germany...

    Even the Philippines have elected their own Donald Trump.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/witness-philippine-president-rodrigo-duterte-ordered-killing-opponents/

    There is something very unsettling in the air.

    If anything, Hillary Clinton and the Democrats aren't given enough credit.

    Most of the Western countries look more like Trump and the GOP.

    If she does win-and she is still the favorite

    http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2016/09/et-tu-nate-silver.html

    she will have bucked an international trend towards the rise of the xenophobic Right.

    Part of this is that thankfully white folks are less of the electorate as a %. If we had 1984 demographics Trump would win a landslide.

    On the other hand, Europe is sort of reaping what it has sown. The euro currency has been such a disaster, it's not surprising some are looking to the Right, especially after the failure of the Left-like Syrzia in Greece.

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  5. Anyway, Mr. Waite, will you look at that? You're visit has excited me so much, I'm now totally behind schedule in my blogging.

    Don't be a stranger!

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  6. In any case, Mr. Waite, assuming you'd like to talk and/or read more-which I don't assume at all-I just opened up a new address this week.

    I am impressed with how much more user friendly Wordpress is compared with Blogger.

    It makes me think of what you have said regarding illegibility, etc.

    I find WP a much more legible site. Blogger with the best will in the world always ends up looking like amateurish scribble.

    WP just has a much better aesthetic. I say this recalling what you've said regarding aesthetics, etc.

    http://lastmenandovermen.com/

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  7. I just picked up your magnum opus on my bookshelf.

    To remind myself: 'Politics, Aesthetics, Prophecy; Or, the Spectacular Technoculture of Everyday Life.'

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