Even I have felt for him a little because the guy was just so happy to get out of this job that he famously had said he needs like a hole in his head. He was visibly singing the day he announced his resignation. Then they pulled him back in.
http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/10/boehner-as-hostage-in-gop-house-civil.html?showComment=1444362464372#c3018610161302218571
So in a way you can't but sympathize: will he ever be free of this job? In an age where the GOP has turned totally anarchistic the worst job in the world is being in a leadership position within the party.
http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/10/anarchy-in-gop.html
Still, Toobin has a good column that shows why we shouldn't have too much sympathy for him. He really has been totally cowardly towards the Freedom Caucus and the more he's caved to them the worse they've gotten.
The Hastert Rule of course says nothing gets up for a vote that there isn't majority Republican support for-nothing can pass via Democratic votes. But as Toobin points out, the Boehner Rule was even worse. The BR is that nothing can come up for a vote that the Republican minority doesn't agree with.
Toobin is dead right. Boehner's legacy is rather shameful and without honor. He brought this on himself.
"The Pointless Cowardice of John Boehner."
"Boehner adopted an extreme version of the so-called Hastert rule, named for his predecessor as Speaker, Dennis Hastert, who is now under indictment for alleged financial crimes connected to blackmail payments (he has pleaded not guilty). The Hastert rule holds that the Speaker should never allow a vote on a bill unless it’s supported by a majority of the Republican caucus. But Boehner’s approach was to keep bills off the floor that were opposed by a minority of Republicans—the Tea Party caucus, which only numbers about fifty—effectively giving them a veto over the work of the House. Nothing came to the floor without their say-so, so that meant that nothing much came to the floor except for symbolic exercises like votes to repeal Obamacare or to defund Planned Parenthood."
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-pointless-cowardice-of-john-boehner
Boehner understood that immigration reform was good for the party, but he caved and refused to allow a vote which would have passed with a bipartisan majority because the Tea Party minority was in scorched earth opposition.
"Boehner caved, refusing to bring the bill to the floor for a vote, and he suffered the fate of all those who give in to bullies; he was bullied some more. This year, the fight was over the highway bill, another piece of popular legislation that Boehner himself and a majority of the House (as well as the Senate and the President) supported—as well they might, given that maintenance of roads and bridges represents some of the basic work of government. But again the Tea Party intimidated Boehner into keeping the bill off the floor, depriving the Speaker of another major accomplishment."
This is why you have to give some credit to Mitch McConnell who is not so stupid as to let himself get roiled. McConnell is actually leading a Senate majority that at least has passed a few decent bills like the recent criminal law reform. He has been willing to find areas of bipartisan agreement rather than cater to Ted Cruz.
On the other hand, pointless cowardice is a good description of Boehner because just like all caving to bullies it always ends up being totally pointless. You gain nothing by it. What you are trying to avoid-them tormenting you, happens anyway. Indeed, when they see that you're weak it only makes them lose all respect for you. If bullying works, why not keep bullying?
Toobin rightly pans Boehner's boast that he avoided a debt ceiling default and government shutdown after 16 days in 2013.
"This, to paraphrase a famous Republican, reflects the soft bigotry of low expectations. Keeping the government open and paying its debts are the minimal undertakings of an elected body, not legislative triumphs. But Boehner could point to almost nothing else that happened on his watch, because the Tea Party would tolerate nothing else."
Yes! This was literally his only accomplishments. He could have really served his party by putting up immigration reform but knuckled under and got nothing in return but more grief.
"And what did Boehner’s cowardice in the face of the Tea Party stalwarts get him? They forced him out anyway. Boehner built his career around keeping his job, and he still failed. If Boehner had allowed the passage of immigration reform, it’s entirely possible that the Tea Party would have rebelled and evicted him—but at least he would have had a substantial accomplishment to his credit. Instead, Boehner tried nothing, accomplished nothing, and lost his job anyway. It’s the legacy he deserves."
http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/10/boehner-as-hostage-in-gop-house-civil.html?showComment=1444362464372#c3018610161302218571
So in a way you can't but sympathize: will he ever be free of this job? In an age where the GOP has turned totally anarchistic the worst job in the world is being in a leadership position within the party.
http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/10/anarchy-in-gop.html
Still, Toobin has a good column that shows why we shouldn't have too much sympathy for him. He really has been totally cowardly towards the Freedom Caucus and the more he's caved to them the worse they've gotten.
The Hastert Rule of course says nothing gets up for a vote that there isn't majority Republican support for-nothing can pass via Democratic votes. But as Toobin points out, the Boehner Rule was even worse. The BR is that nothing can come up for a vote that the Republican minority doesn't agree with.
Toobin is dead right. Boehner's legacy is rather shameful and without honor. He brought this on himself.
"The Pointless Cowardice of John Boehner."
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-pointless-cowardice-of-john-boehner
Boehner understood that immigration reform was good for the party, but he caved and refused to allow a vote which would have passed with a bipartisan majority because the Tea Party minority was in scorched earth opposition.
"Boehner caved, refusing to bring the bill to the floor for a vote, and he suffered the fate of all those who give in to bullies; he was bullied some more. This year, the fight was over the highway bill, another piece of popular legislation that Boehner himself and a majority of the House (as well as the Senate and the President) supported—as well they might, given that maintenance of roads and bridges represents some of the basic work of government. But again the Tea Party intimidated Boehner into keeping the bill off the floor, depriving the Speaker of another major accomplishment."
This is why you have to give some credit to Mitch McConnell who is not so stupid as to let himself get roiled. McConnell is actually leading a Senate majority that at least has passed a few decent bills like the recent criminal law reform. He has been willing to find areas of bipartisan agreement rather than cater to Ted Cruz.
On the other hand, pointless cowardice is a good description of Boehner because just like all caving to bullies it always ends up being totally pointless. You gain nothing by it. What you are trying to avoid-them tormenting you, happens anyway. Indeed, when they see that you're weak it only makes them lose all respect for you. If bullying works, why not keep bullying?
Toobin rightly pans Boehner's boast that he avoided a debt ceiling default and government shutdown after 16 days in 2013.
"This, to paraphrase a famous Republican, reflects the soft bigotry of low expectations. Keeping the government open and paying its debts are the minimal undertakings of an elected body, not legislative triumphs. But Boehner could point to almost nothing else that happened on his watch, because the Tea Party would tolerate nothing else."
Yes! This was literally his only accomplishments. He could have really served his party by putting up immigration reform but knuckled under and got nothing in return but more grief.
"And what did Boehner’s cowardice in the face of the Tea Party stalwarts get him? They forced him out anyway. Boehner built his career around keeping his job, and he still failed. If Boehner had allowed the passage of immigration reform, it’s entirely possible that the Tea Party would have rebelled and evicted him—but at least he would have had a substantial accomplishment to his credit. Instead, Boehner tried nothing, accomplished nothing, and lost his job anyway. It’s the legacy he deserves."
Yes by no stretch of the imagination is there anything for Boehner to take pride in. I'm glad Toobin pointed this out.
I'm glad you pointed it out Mike.
ReplyDeleteRegarding immigration: here's where the extreme right has essentially won the argument on the right at this point: it was clear the Republicans had a problem. The 1st thought about how to address this problem was:
1. We need to do better minority outreach, especially amongst Hispanics. This was Bush's approach. They saw in the Hispanic population potential natural allies: they were family oriented, church going people, not fans of the "gay agenda" and not overly educated. Plus businesses (our constituents) NEED them.
But this has been shot down as treason by the extreme right. The new view still sees the problem, but the solution is totally different:
2. We're going to lose states like Texas if this trend continues. "Outreach" sounds gay: it sounds like WE have to change somehow. We'd rather here that WE don't have to do anything except insist on more of the same, so lets smear these brown people as child rapists and Catholics (I'm thinking Ann Coulter here) and drug peddlers who do NOTHING but absorb resources and have more babies and who will brown up America. They are a THREAT and you don't do outreach to a threat (as traitors do), you eliminate the threat by any means necessary!!
"Keep America white" ended up being the winning message.
I'd love to know what the typical base voter does everyday. What websites do they visit? What media do they watch? Where do they get their information? Because I've been reading comments that just leave me scratching my head over the shear number of false beliefs the commenters seem to have.
On a slightly different subject, I read yesterday about the anti-Muslim protesters in Dearborn MI, many of whom came armed because they are also "open carry" advocates. There to meet them were two groups of counter protesters: a Communist group and ANOTHER group of anti-anti-Muslim open carry protesters! Hahaha... that's the scenario that I've always wondered about: two opposing open carry groups. Unfortunately the video clips I saw didn't show this second armed group. I guess there were no incidents, and the only clips I did see involving any confrontation seemed to go smoothly enough: a protester with an AR15 on a single point sling hanging in front of his body was talking to some apparently Muslim men across a barrier saying "Would it make you more comfortable if I put this back here?" he said somewhat patronizingly as he rearranged the rifle to hang on the backside of his body instead.... at which point a 3rd man had to explain to him why bringing a rifle to a protest could be seen as hostile. The clip closed with the protester and one of the Muslim men shaking hands. The conversation seemed to go about as well as it possibly could have under the circumstances.
... I wonder if there are a group of "open carry" atheists there planning to protest at the cities mosques, churches and synagogues! If I were an open-carry nut living in Dearborn, it would be SOOOO tempting. Lol. Now's the time to do it... you get both news coverage AND political cover (from the recent activity of the other groups).
Delete... I wonder if it's legal to "open carry" a dynamite suicide vest? Lol
DeleteThere's all kinds of websites-Red State America, Breitbart, Drudge, to name a very few. I mean David Horowitz literally sounds like what the news on Mars would be.
Deletehttp://www.horowitzfreedomcenter.org/
http://www.frontpagemag.com/
Too many to count. Then they have Rush, Mark Levine, Alex Jones, Fox News.
This list is nowhere near comprehensive
Right, but do they ever see an opposing view? Are they all that devoted to the "news?" If 70% of Americans have never even heard the name Janet Yellen, what do they spend their time doing? Is it opinions they hear from other people that informs them? Churches?
DeleteTake those anti-anti-Muslim open-carry protesters for example: that's an interesting mix. I maintain that you've got to be a bit of a lunatic to think it's ever a good idea to carry a loaded firearm around in public (outside of warfare, or in the woods hunting), but yet they must not be reading the full set of right-wing nut job media, right?
First of all most Americans don't even realize there's any point in having opposing view points. No Right wingers do and even many progressives I've met are like that.
DeleteMany people don't follow the news that closely and get it filtered out at second and third hand.
And sometimes they mix and match positions. This was Ezra Klein's point-the typical moderate is like Trump who wants to deport 11 million people and expand SS.
http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/08/yes-donald-trump-is-moderate-candidate.html
I mean I've had conversations with progressive friends on Twitter and I disagree with them on one point and next thing I know they block me. Most people don't like to be disagreed with
DeleteSome female on Twitter became enraged with me a few days ago for discussing Biden's abortion record. Somehow that's 'below the belt.
DeleteMost people don't have much conception of what actual facts are about
Lol... BTW, I've noticed this trend of putting a politician's rating next to his name, every time it's mentioned. Erickson's anti-Ryan post had "55%" next to Ryan every time he was mentioned. Boehner had "N/A%" and Patty Murray had "'0%" Lol. Clicking on the % gives you a popup from the Heritage Action Committee. Breitbart has something similar.
Deletehttp://www.redstate.com/2015/10/09/paul-ryan-is-a-dangerous-pick-for-conservatives/
Maybe this has been around for years and I just never noticed.
What's funny is that Erickson is warning that Americans are mad as hell and you'd better not cross them there... yet it was only a month or so ago that he was on the receiving end of that anger (having snubbed Trump) and he was writing articles about how amazed he was at how stupid angry everyone is, and warning that they are too angry.
Mike, you know how I suggested that Obama could give Ryan the kiss of death... well, check this out:
Deletehttp://www.wnd.com/2015/10/amnesty-advocate-cheers-gop-efforts-to-recruit-ryan/
Somewhat O/T Mike: I was surprised to see this today:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/10/11/conservative-freedom-caucus-head-predicts-group-would-look-favorably-on-ryan-for-speaker/
Given that just yesterday I was reading how Breitbart, Trump, and Erick Erickson all gave a Ryan speakership a thumbs down, and not only that but several other "Freedom Caucus" members (unidentified) said they would not support him.
Now are we going to see Trump, Breitbart, Erickson and a few unidentified FC members grumbling about this so-called FC "leader?" Maybe it's time the FC change leadership! lol.
I thought Trump said Ryan met his standards? All the others have indeed opposed Ryan.
DeleteI don't know at all that Ryan would get the votes either.
We've moved from the Hastert Rule to the Boehner Rule
Re: Trump, I guess I saw this:
Deletehttp://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/10/donald-trump-paul-ryan-far-first-choice-speaker-house/
Actually it's interesting what Trump said. He said he'd be ok with Ryan but that he doesn't like that he wants to privatize Medicare and SS.
Deletehttp://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-id-be-okay-with-paul-ryan-as-house-speaker-election-2016/
You got to hand it to him-well played
DeleteCheck the comments on Breitbart. There's some talk of fragging the FC guys now. Lol
DeleteYou exactly nail it on the evolution of the GOP on immigration. They were serious about doing Plan A but then the Heritage in 2013 said forget Latinos just get even more white people than Mitt Romney did.
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