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Tuesday, January 19, 2016

Is Trump in Trouble With Conservatives Over His Attacks on Cruz?

It seems that Trump is again falling a foul of a number of conservative talk show hosts, movement types etc.

Rush has no problem with Trump criticizing Cruz-he gets it's a campaign. But he says that Trump is criticizing him the way a Democrat would.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/01/18/trump_is_making_a_strategic_mistake_in_the_way_he_s_going_after_cruz

He says that Cruz is not a nasty guy and this could hurt Trump. He talks about how Trump got booed by his own audience on Saturday for going off on Cruz. It didn't stop him, he doubled down.

He also seems to think that Cruz's attack on 'New York values' is legitimate. So he seems to be taking Cruz's side though not as stridently as Mark Levin and other movement conservatives.

But Rush also noted that Trump's base is not just conservatives-he has a number of other supporters too.

"Now, there are some conservatives in the crowd in Myrtle Beach; there are conservatives in Trump's coalition, of course. And they are conservatives and supporting Trump for specific reasons. Among them, Trump is fighting back against what they perceive to be a common enemy, and that's Washington, the establishment, the people who are working and looking out for themselves and not the rest of the country. But Trump's coalition is 20% Democrat, maybe more."

"There are a lot of Hispanics. There are a lot of African-Americans. There are a lot of women. People who are traditionally not thought of in the Republican coalition. So Trump's cross-section of people is pretty diverse, but it's not uniformly conservative. So when you say NBC reporting on Trump being booed, they think it's big news inside conservatism, but it's not. To those of us who are conservative and know the movement and know people in it, we've long been aware that there are conservatives that do not like Trump and some stridently do not like Trump."

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/01/18/trump_is_making_a_strategic_mistake_in_the_way_he_s_going_after_cruz

Rush admits that he doesn't know for sure if Trump's tactics will hurt him-that Trump knows his own base better than Rush does. This is why Rush's analysis of this is pretty good. He doesn't pretend that Trump is a conservative or is simply imitating himself or something.

So Trump's base is a little more diverse-I'm not sure that he's getting so many African-Americans as Rush implies. I'm not sure about the 20 percent Democrat number; though I do agree he appeals to a certain kind of Democrat: basically, he appeals to Dixiecrats.

The kind who supported George Wallace, etc.

For this reason his Cruz attacks may not hurt him as much as you'd think listening to some conservatives.

Rush does touch on something that's accurate: why Cruz rubs a lot of people the wrong way.

"And whether or not it's gonna hurt Trump, it isn't going to help. Or, wait. Could it? Could it, actually? You might have to consider something that's unthinkable. Do not discount it. I mean, do not discount the possibility that all that you've heard about how unliked Cruz is... I mean, it is real. It is baffles me. I have to say, it baffles me. I've met Cruz a couple, three times. The criticism I hear most often about Cruz is that he doesn't seem natural, seems like he's just constantly... What's the word? Earnest all the time."
"He just never seems relaxed, doesn't seem casual, ever. And it unnerves people. I think what that is is Cruz is just so smart, and he knows exactly who he is and what he thinks and is proud of it. And he knows the kind of attacks that conservatives get and have always received. And he knows that moderating his behavior to please contradicts does not mollify contradicts. You can't change who unresponsive and the way you act and have people who criticize you all of a sudden like you, particularly if they're liberals or Democrats or members of the Republican establishment."

"He's just decided he's gonna be who he is. I just think it unnerves people, like it unnerves people whenever you encounter somebody that's so damn sure of themselves. "That's just not possible. Nobody could be that certain of everything." It's not natural people, it's not natural to be that sure of yourself, not natural think you've got all the answers. And they end up getting offended or feeling some other insecurity or what have you. "

I think that people think Cruz's earnest poise is a poise-but I actually think there's something to the argument that it's not a poise: he's a True Believer.

Rush also touched on an interesting dynamic we've seen lately. The GOP Establishment is beginning to think that given a chance between Cruz and Trump, it may be that it's Trump who is the lesser of the two evils.

"They think they can peacefully coexist with Trump because they can moderate Trump or make deals with him that are not ideological in nature. But they know, they are fairly certain, that Cruz is not gonna compromise what he believes in order to strike deals or have peaceful relations with 'em, to have a relationship. That scares them."

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/01/18/the_establishment_sidles_up_to_trump

"That makes sense actually. This is the point I've made with Tom. I'll take the egotistical opportunist over the True Believer any day of the week and twice on Sunday. But this applies to Bernie as well who is a kind of Ted Cruz of the Left."

The idea that Trump might be preferable to the Establishment over Cruz is gaining wide currency and is discussed in this National Review piece.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429952/ted-cruz-donald-trump-gop-establishment-prefers-trump

P.S. So what is Trump hurting himself? I don't know. I mean I agree there are risks in the strategy. Limbaugh-and more forcefully-Mark Levin is telling him to 'cut the crap.'

It can't ever be a good sign if your own audience starts to boo you. But then as we noted above, Trump's base doesn't' wholly correlate with Cruz's movement conservative base so he may not pay such a price.

And at the end of the day, so far we've seen Cruz's numbers, not Trump's come back to earth when he started the birther rap.

20 comments:

  1. Limbaugh saying that the establishment is warming to Trump is pretty damning of Trump. Isn't that saying:

    Trump = establishment

    Which, for the entertainment wing of conservatism, is the same as saying

    Trump = feces

    Come to think of it, Trump=establishment should mean Trump=feces to you too. If the establishment (i.e. Republican congress and senate) actually ends up "working with" a president Trump, then all that bad policy you fear is headed our way! Do you think they can come to an understanding about who will make good supreme court justices... Trump and the Republican legislature that is? Bye bye Rowe vs Wade.

    However, Breitbart and Coulter are being as supportive of Trump as ever, so I think this is entertainment-conservatism civil war! It'll be interesting to see who wins. (BTW, I asked E. Harding his opinion of Mark Levin and David Horowitz... that might be interesting! If he responds, I'll let you know: I'm guessing he's not a fan: they're Jews after all).

    I don't think for a minute Cruz is a "true believer." He's too smart for that. I agree he wants people to *think* he's a true believer and a fighter, but the evidence indicates he's a flip flopper. He's got his finger in the wind just as much as Trump does. He used to be well to the left of Trump on immigration (refusing to say he'd deport anyone and being a proponent of offering more work visas), but now he's attempted to leapfrog Trump on the right saying he'd not only deport all the illegals, he wouldn't even consider letting them back in the country again. Same for his war drumming: he used to try and compete with Rand Paul for the non-interventionist wing, but now he's a "carpet bomber?" Lol. I suspect he's a conman. Carson is more of a "true believer." He's a nutjob.

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  2. I don't know. I'm reading a good book by this Buzzfeed writer about the GOP primary and from how he describes it, this is how Cruz really is.

    I think that he's the TB of the Right and Bernie is the TB of the Left.

    You know Cruz is more or less singehandedly responsible for the government shutdown of 2013.

    http://www.amazon.com/Wilderness-Republican-Combative-Contentious-Chaotic/dp/0316327417/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1453216421&sr=8-1&keywords=the+wilderness

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    1. Yes, I know. However this is my view: he correctly sensed the possibility of an insurrection on the right, and he wanted to position himself perfectly: as the guy who didn't compromise and always fights. he knew "compromise" was a dirty word. So he played the role of uncompromising firebrand. Like Trump, he didn't give a shit about the consequences, except how they affected his prospects.

      Didn't he write glowing praise of the Bush admin in the past? Now he wouldn't go near them. I think his a schemer.

      Now Bernie?... yes, he's a TB.

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    2. ... but that's just my view. Do tell me what that book says. Does it bring up Cruz's history with the Bush admin?

      I have to say, I think it's hilarious that he's got Coulter against him now.

      I think Trump needs to shut him down, because Trump's whole selling point is that he's a winner. How can he sell being a winner if he loses anything? Trump isn't the "comeback kid" type, do you think?

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    3. Trump can lose somewhere. He admitted he might lose Iowa. But he's done some good things and now the Iowa Governor is offering a kind of negative endorsement of Trump: he says Cruz 'has to be defeated.'

      http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/terry-brandstad-ted-cruz-217972

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    4. Yeah, that's my "Et tu Branstad?" comment below.

      Trumps ability to handle a setback: it's hard to say. It's just that such a large part of his argument is "I'm a winner." Maybe Iowa he could lose. But I just can't see him psychologically handling being a loser too many times in a row.

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    5. ... if he can't brag about being a winner, what's his argument? His policy positions? Bwahahaha!

      I hope he keeps it together!

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    6. That's been the hope of those who hopes he doesn't win that losing one place will end it all.

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  3. Mike, I'm sure you're aware, but Trump attacks Cruz for "birthright" flip flopping:
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/19/politics/donald-trump-ted-cruz-trade-fire/
    Now what's not Limbaugh/Levin-esque conservative about that attack? I think Coulter and Breitbart need to get on this.

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    1. I know your admittedly very practical dream is "Anybody but Rubio." ... but my (perhaps selfish) spite-dream is entertainment-conservatism civil war... and this is looking very good as far as that goes.

      It's so close I can taste it... when the E. Hardingism breaches the water, and words like "dirty Jew," "Cultist," "Spic," "Mick," "Bimbo" and yes, even the N-word, start flying about in the open in a circular firing squad on the right with carefree PC-free abandon. And orgy of freedom! Hahahaha! We're already partway there... Coulter called Haley a "Bimbo" and suggested president Trump deport her.

      Seeing unity on the right shattered would be so much fun. I'd love to see Hannity squirm as his formerly respectable guest lets fly with uber-non-PC language. The guy on Fox who interviewed Coulter when she went on her anti-Haley Bimbo rant sounded a bit uncomfortable (much to Ann's annoyance). That's what I want to see 24/7.

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  5. Mike, Rubin is starting to sound a little panicky now, check it out:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/01/19/does-the-gop-want-a-hater-as-president/

    But the best part is the comedy:

    On Trump and Cruz ("two scorpions in a bottle" she writes) and what conservatism *ISN'T*:

    "Judging by these criteria, neither one of these guys is conservative in any meaningful sense. Anti-government, xenophobic, bent on stirring fear and resentment? Sure. Intolerant and inflexible? Of course. But none of that, despite what you might hear on some talk radio outlets, is what conservatism is about."

    Lol! She got that spectacularly wrong (about what conservatism isn't that is. She did OK characterizing Trump and Cruz).

    And now for what conservatism supposedly *IS*:

    "Conservatism, for starters, is rooted in human experience. It appreciates the complexity of human society. It believes in a givenness to human nature and in enduring principles, yet it has the capacity to apply those principles to changing circumstances. And because it isn’t a rigid ideology, it leaves itself open to self-examination and self-correction. Authentic conservatism has a high regard for things empirical, for facts that can lead us to better apprehend the truth.
    Conservatism is famously anti-utopian, understanding life’s imperfections and the limitations of politics. Knowing this, those on the right shouldn’t become enraged or forlorn when the world itself doesn’t fully conform to their hopes. Conservatism considers one of the cardinal virtues to be prudence. And no conservative — certainly no one familiar with the magnificent history of the Constitution — should be opposed to compromise per se. Whether or not accommodation is wise depends on whether an agreement nudges things in the right direction."

    Haha!... even better, eh? I wonder if poor Jen will see anything resembling that vision in the rest of her lifetime? I hope so, for all our sakes.

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    1. Rubio has gotten some bad news lately. His polls have slipped in polls in SC, Florida, and NH.

      Kasich suddenly has broken out in NH and has some big endorsments.

      Jeb is coming back against him in SC and Florida

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  6. http://www.sfchronicle.com/news/us/article/Rally-calls-for-keeping-Confederate-emblem-on-6769567.php

    Yes! Further unmasking of the right. They should probably put it back up in SC too.

    I want to see LOTS of Klan regalia at this year's GOP convention.

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  7. More good unmasking news:
    http://www.seattlepi.com/news/us/article/Sponsor-of-anti-gay-marriage-bill-is-undaunted-by-6769314.php

    Committee member Bill Beck, a Nashville Democrat, said he won't support the measure.

    "The Supreme Court dictates the law of the land," Beck said. "Are we going to secede from the union?"


    YES!! Please secede from the union. Good riddance to bad rubbish. But that's it: we're cutting off your beer money once and for all! Lol

    I want the over-riding clear as day message to be beat into the electorate over and over and over: if you're brown, an immigrant, not a fundamentalist Christian, gay, or trust science more than fairy tales, you are NOT welcome in the GOP, EVER! And the GOP is doing all the work on that front for us.

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    1. That's an anti-immigration bill I could endorse: not letting sovereign Nation of Tennessee immigrants in the rest of country, unless they can prove they're not bigoted, ignorant science haters. Build a wall and make 'em pay for it! Lol.

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    2. .... or we could do a "prisoner exchange": we'll give you 5 million red-neck bigoted conspiracy fruitcakes in exchange for just 100,000 normal people (thus exhausting their total supply). It's a win win: they get fruitcake purity, and we can say we didn't leave our normal brethren behind in deep-red state.

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  8. I can't believe all the great un-masking news today:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gop-press-freedom_us_569e8faae4b04c813761b0fd?utm_hp_ref=media&ir=Media&section=media

    Somebody on Sumner's blog gave me this link today too, saying the one overriding factor in determining if you're a Trump supporter or not is if you approve of authoritarianism:
    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533

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