If you want to boil it down see this revealing interview with Ezra Klein.
Ezra Klein:
"You said being a democratic socialist means a more international view. I think if you take global poverty that seriously, it leads you to conclusions that in the US are considered out of political bounds. Things like sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders. About sharply increasing ..."
Ezra Klein:
"It would make a lot of global poor richer, wouldn't it?"
Ezra Klein:
"You said being a democratic socialist means a more international view. I think if you take global poverty that seriously, it leads you to conclusions that in the US are considered out of political bounds. Things like sharply raising the level of immigration we permit, even up to a level of open borders. About sharply increasing ..."
Bernie Sanders
"Open borders? No, that's a Koch brothers proposal."
"Open borders? No, that's a Koch brothers proposal."
Ezra Klein:
"Really?"
"Really?"
Bernie Sanders:
"Of course. That's a right-wing proposal, which says essentially there is no United States. ..."
"Of course. That's a right-wing proposal, which says essentially there is no United States. ..."
Ezra Klein:
"But it would make ..."
"But it would make ..."
Bernie Sanders:
"Excuse me ..."
"Excuse me ..."
Ezra Klein:
"It would make a lot of global poor richer, wouldn't it?"
Bernie Sanders:
"It would make everybody in America poorer —you're doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don't think there's any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a nation state or in a country called the United States or UK or Denmark or any other country, you have an obligation in my view to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don't believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs."
"You know what youth unemployment is in the United States of America today? If you're a white high school graduate, it's 33 percent, Hispanic 36 percent, African American 51 percent. You think we should open the borders and bring in a lot of low-wage workers, or do you think maybe we should try to get jobs for those kids?"
"I think from a moral responsibility we've got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty, but you don't do that by making people in this country even poorer."
http://www.vox.com/2015/7/28/9014491/bernie-sanders-vox-conversation
HT: Sumner at Econolog
http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2015/08/the_unstoppable.html
That's a rather shocking exchange: open borders is a Koch Brother proposal.
With all the sucking up to Bernie on so many of the liberal shows like The Ed Show I wonder when they will ask Bernie about that. Meanwhile, his 'socialism' is pretty skin deep:
"A democratic socialist. What it means is that one takes a hard look at countries around the world who have successful records in fighting and implementing programs for the middle class and working families."
"When you do that, you automatically go to countries like Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, and other countries that have had labor governments or social democratic governments, and what you find is that in virtually all of those countries, health care is a right of all people and their systems are far more cost-effective than ours, college education is virtually free in all of those countries, people retire with better benefits, wages that people receive are often higher, distribution of wealth and income is much fairer, their public education systems are generally stronger than ours."
"And by and large their governments tend to represent the needs of their middle class and working families rather than billionaires and campaign contributors. When I talk about being a democratic socialist, those are the countries that I am looking at, and those are the ideas that I think we can learn a lot from."
I don't know about all these governments representing the needs of their middle class and working people. I'd say that the truth of that varies with each country on the list but in general those on the euro don't represent the needs of their own citizens so much as the needs of Angela Merkel. Wolfgang Schauble, and Donald Tusk. Even the countries that do have stronger welfare states.
Even if he's right about single payer, that's still not a reason to oppose Obamacare as the law provides for states to move to a Medicare for All system if they want.
In answer to Sanders' rather shocking comment on open borders being a Koch Brothers thing, Klein focuses on thinking of the good of foreign immigrants as well, However, even from a selfish, American point of view it is just not true that immigration impoverishes every American.
It's funny-Sanders is always dismissive when he's compared to Trump but they do seem to have common cause on immigration.
"Sanders’ position on immigration has been called “complicated” and he has been criticized by immigration activists for supporting the idea that immigrants coming to the U.S. are taking jobs and hurting the economy, a theory that has been proven incorrect. Both of his leading Democratic challengers, Hillary Clinton and Martin O’Malley, have recognized that new immigrants coming to the country actually boost the economy. But Sanders continues to align himself more closely with Democratic positions of the past."
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/07/30/3686282/bernie-sanders-immigration/
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/03/bernie-sanders-open-borders-economy
Ed and friends wouldn't let up on Hillary over Keystone. They aren't so worried about Bernie's position on immigration and gun control.
Maybe, Bernie wouldn't do so bad in England either:
http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/08/trump-really-could-win-in-britain.html
"It would make everybody in America poorer —you're doing away with the concept of a nation state, and I don't think there's any country in the world that believes in that. If you believe in a nation state or in a country called the United States or UK or Denmark or any other country, you have an obligation in my view to do everything we can to help poor people. What right-wing people in this country would love is an open-border policy. Bring in all kinds of people, work for $2 or $3 an hour, that would be great for them. I don't believe in that. I think we have to raise wages in this country, I think we have to do everything we can to create millions of jobs."
"You know what youth unemployment is in the United States of America today? If you're a white high school graduate, it's 33 percent, Hispanic 36 percent, African American 51 percent. You think we should open the borders and bring in a lot of low-wage workers, or do you think maybe we should try to get jobs for those kids?"
"I think from a moral responsibility we've got to work with the rest of the industrialized world to address the problems of international poverty, but you don't do that by making people in this country even poorer."
http://www.vox.com/2015/7/28/9014491/bernie-sanders-vox-conversation
HT: Sumner at Econolog
http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2015/08/the_unstoppable.html
That's a rather shocking exchange: open borders is a Koch Brother proposal.
With all the sucking up to Bernie on so many of the liberal shows like The Ed Show I wonder when they will ask Bernie about that. Meanwhile, his 'socialism' is pretty skin deep:
"A democratic socialist. What it means is that one takes a hard look at countries around the world who have successful records in fighting and implementing programs for the middle class and working families."
"When you do that, you automatically go to countries like Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, and other countries that have had labor governments or social democratic governments, and what you find is that in virtually all of those countries, health care is a right of all people and their systems are far more cost-effective than ours, college education is virtually free in all of those countries, people retire with better benefits, wages that people receive are often higher, distribution of wealth and income is much fairer, their public education systems are generally stronger than ours."
"And by and large their governments tend to represent the needs of their middle class and working families rather than billionaires and campaign contributors. When I talk about being a democratic socialist, those are the countries that I am looking at, and those are the ideas that I think we can learn a lot from."
I don't know about all these governments representing the needs of their middle class and working people. I'd say that the truth of that varies with each country on the list but in general those on the euro don't represent the needs of their own citizens so much as the needs of Angela Merkel. Wolfgang Schauble, and Donald Tusk. Even the countries that do have stronger welfare states.
Even if he's right about single payer, that's still not a reason to oppose Obamacare as the law provides for states to move to a Medicare for All system if they want.
In answer to Sanders' rather shocking comment on open borders being a Koch Brothers thing, Klein focuses on thinking of the good of foreign immigrants as well, However, even from a selfish, American point of view it is just not true that immigration impoverishes every American.
It's funny-Sanders is always dismissive when he's compared to Trump but they do seem to have common cause on immigration.
"Sanders’ position on immigration has been called “complicated” and he has been criticized by immigration activists for supporting the idea that immigrants coming to the U.S. are taking jobs and hurting the economy, a theory that has been proven incorrect. Both of his leading Democratic challengers, Hillary Clinton and Martin O’Malley, have recognized that new immigrants coming to the country actually boost the economy. But Sanders continues to align himself more closely with Democratic positions of the past."
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/07/30/3686282/bernie-sanders-immigration/
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/03/bernie-sanders-open-borders-economy
Ed and friends wouldn't let up on Hillary over Keystone. They aren't so worried about Bernie's position on immigration and gun control.
Maybe, Bernie wouldn't do so bad in England either:
http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2015/08/trump-really-could-win-in-britain.html
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