The candidate who insults everyone and apologizes for nothing and to no one is demanding an apology.
Key diff between '47 percent' and 'basket of deplorables' = Romney might have alienated actual supporters."
https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/774615114087538688
Bump argues that her 'Basket of deplorables' comment is qualitatively different than either Romney's 47% or Obama's 'Clings to their guns and their religion' 2008 comment.
First Bump provides some needed context to what she actually said:
"To just be grossly generalistic," Clinton said according to a transcript from BuzzFeed's Ruby Cramer, "you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up."
"She talked a bit about how Trump has interacted with that racist element and then continued. "But the other basket — and I know this because I see friends from all over America here … but that other basket are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures — they're just desperate for change. … Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/10/who-will-hillary-clintons-basket-of-deplorables-comment-actually-alienate/?tid=sm_tw_pp&wprss=rss_the-fix
Then Bump differentiates her comment from Obama, 2008-which Obama did feel was a mistake and gave a speech to clarify.
"But there are two ways in which this differs from something like President Obama's "cling to guns and religion" comments from another fundraiser in 2008."
"The first is that the "clingers" remark disparaged something that was positive: a person's religion or their cultural affinity for gun ownership and sportsmanship. It was a dismissal of things of which people were proud. Clinton, however, was saying that half of Trump's base was motivated by negative inclinations: racism, sexism. No one is going to say, "Hey, how dare you disparage my family's history of being racist."
"Trump's tweet said she insulted his supporters, but Clinton clearly delineated between two groups of supporters, and she offered words of understanding to the latter. So let's break the electorate out into four groups and consider how the comment will play."
1. Clinton supporters. They support Clinton; it seems unlikely they'll be put out.
2. Racist/sexist/xenophobic/Islamophobic Trump supporters. How big a group is this? It's hard to say. Clinton's spokesman Nick Merrill tried to defend his boss's use of "half" by saying on Twitter that the racist/xenophobic types "appear to make up half of his crowd" at events. We do know that 7 percent of Trump supporters think the candidate is racist, suggesting that they themselves don't see racism as a dealbreaker. Regardless of the actual fraction of the Trump base this group constitutes, Clinton's not likely to change their minds away from their preferred candidate, either."
3. Non-'deplorable' Trump supporters. This group will go one of two ways. They'll either a. see Clinton's remarks as insulting them as a whole, or b. be reminded that there are elements of Trump's base of support that makes them uncomfortable. That sense may spur them to be less enthusiastic to go vote for Trump in November."
But notice: Either way, there's no loss for Clinton! If she spurs some Trump supporters to reconsider, the loss is to Trump."
Yes. I thought the same thing. She actually gives the 'non deplorable' Trump supporters an out. Josh Greenan had that very interesting piece where he distinguished between:
1. Trump supporters who support him because they believe he will do everything he says he will.
2. Those who support him as they assume he's joking about what he says he's going to do.
His campaign manager, Kellyann Conway is actually demanding an apology:
https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls/status/774617284442722304
As Glenn Kessler notes, this would have a lot more credibility if Trump had ever apologized for anything.
https://twitter.com/GlennKesslerWP/status/774627605903532032
One meme is that what the Beltway finds scandalous here is not that there are deplorable Trump supporters-everyone acknowledges that. It's the 'half' part that is being tripped over.
https://twitter.com/JamesFallows/status/774636139386929156
https://twitter.com/ananavarro/status/774639809755250688
Great. So the debate is how many of Trump supporters are actually deplorable? Hillary said 'half' but what? I guess it's only like a third?
Here's a question: how many of Trump's supporters chant 'Hang the B****'? at his rallies? When do they plan to apologize for that?
Phillip Bump actually provides some nice perspective-unlike say, CNN.
https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/774615114087538688
Bump argues that her 'Basket of deplorables' comment is qualitatively different than either Romney's 47% or Obama's 'Clings to their guns and their religion' 2008 comment.
First Bump provides some needed context to what she actually said:
"To just be grossly generalistic," Clinton said according to a transcript from BuzzFeed's Ruby Cramer, "you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up."
"She talked a bit about how Trump has interacted with that racist element and then continued. "But the other basket — and I know this because I see friends from all over America here … but that other basket are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures — they're just desperate for change. … Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/10/who-will-hillary-clintons-basket-of-deplorables-comment-actually-alienate/?tid=sm_tw_pp&wprss=rss_the-fix
Then Bump differentiates her comment from Obama, 2008-which Obama did feel was a mistake and gave a speech to clarify.
"But there are two ways in which this differs from something like President Obama's "cling to guns and religion" comments from another fundraiser in 2008."
"The first is that the "clingers" remark disparaged something that was positive: a person's religion or their cultural affinity for gun ownership and sportsmanship. It was a dismissal of things of which people were proud. Clinton, however, was saying that half of Trump's base was motivated by negative inclinations: racism, sexism. No one is going to say, "Hey, how dare you disparage my family's history of being racist."
"Trump's tweet said she insulted his supporters, but Clinton clearly delineated between two groups of supporters, and she offered words of understanding to the latter. So let's break the electorate out into four groups and consider how the comment will play."
1. Clinton supporters. They support Clinton; it seems unlikely they'll be put out.
2. Racist/sexist/xenophobic/Islamophobic Trump supporters. How big a group is this? It's hard to say. Clinton's spokesman Nick Merrill tried to defend his boss's use of "half" by saying on Twitter that the racist/xenophobic types "appear to make up half of his crowd" at events. We do know that 7 percent of Trump supporters think the candidate is racist, suggesting that they themselves don't see racism as a dealbreaker. Regardless of the actual fraction of the Trump base this group constitutes, Clinton's not likely to change their minds away from their preferred candidate, either."
3. Non-'deplorable' Trump supporters. This group will go one of two ways. They'll either a. see Clinton's remarks as insulting them as a whole, or b. be reminded that there are elements of Trump's base of support that makes them uncomfortable. That sense may spur them to be less enthusiastic to go vote for Trump in November."
But notice: Either way, there's no loss for Clinton! If she spurs some Trump supporters to reconsider, the loss is to Trump."
Yes. I thought the same thing. She actually gives the 'non deplorable' Trump supporters an out. Josh Greenan had that very interesting piece where he distinguished between:
1. Trump supporters who support him because they believe he will do everything he says he will.
2. Those who support him as they assume he's joking about what he says he's going to do.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/josh-greenman-two-trump-trick-article-1.2636490
It is plausible that those in group 2 might actually be chastened or think a bit after hearing Hillary's words.
At the end of the day, I agree with Bump. is this really the debate the GOP wants to be having?
GOP may find it doesn't want the topic to be "what's the real % of Trump voters who are deplorable?"
https://twitter.com/justkarl/status/774587618055053313
It is plausible that those in group 2 might actually be chastened or think a bit after hearing Hillary's words.
At the end of the day, I agree with Bump. is this really the debate the GOP wants to be having?
GOP may find it doesn't want the topic to be "what's the real % of Trump voters who are deplorable?"
https://twitter.com/justkarl/status/774587618055053313
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