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Saturday, June 25, 2016

Not a Time for Austerity

So Lawrence Summers observes:

"To an extent that is underestimated in some quarters and understated in others, the world economy is far more brittle than usual because of the inability almost everywhere to lower interest rates substantially. Normally in response to incipient downturns central banks lower rates by 400 basis points or more. Nowhere do they have that kind of room. Nor is there large scope for reducing term and credit spreads given their very low levels. This is no time for austerity. Greater use of fiscal policy should be on the agenda almost everywhere and certainly with the change of government in the UK."

http://larrysummers.com/2016/06/24/why-brexit-is-worse-for-europe-than-britain/

Certainly agree it isn't. But this then begs the question: when is it ever? Yet it keeps on happening.

While I disagree with Scott Sumner's opposition to fiscal stimulus, I do see one problem with it. It requires very strong political will to get it done. Something which never quite seems to materialize.

Nanute asked me in a comment yesterday if I'm a neoliberal.

"Don't dismiss the other side of the equation with regard to austerity. Are you in favor of more domestic spending to alleviate some of the real concerns of those that feel left behind? Or are you a true neoliberal?"

http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2016/06/what-leftist-populists-miss.html?showComment=1466863108426#c3691715211170978285

I'd love for Nanute or anyone else to point to where in my writing I ever have advocated austerity. I never have done so nor would I ever.

Here's where I do criticize many progressives though. Simon Wren-Lewis offers an apt description:

"One of the characteristics of a few on the far left of politics is a total belief in the ends they strive for, and very little concern about the means used to achieve it. Anything that brings on the revolution is OK."

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/labours-new-militant-tendency.html

I notice that many progressives only like to discuss ends and never means. But without the means, talk of ends is vain.

And this is the trouble with fiscal stimulus: it requires so much political will. This is the advantage of monetary policy-it doesn't require democratic consensus.

A lot of progressives now are arguing that what happened with Brexit was anger in Britain over austerity.

Then why don't the Brits vote against anti austerian politicians? I agree with Lawrence Summers that this is no time for austerity but is Boris Johnson listening?

The British people have voted time and again for austerity. They voted for David Cameron in 2010 who didn't hide what he wanted to do. He ran on deep budget cuts. He declared that Britain could not become Greece.

This is ironic, as through his own political mismanagement and opportunism his own country may now be disintegrating while Greece will go on.

But let's just remember the history in the UK the last 7 years. The Brits have voted again and again for Right wing austerity policies. In 2010, in 2014, and again on Thursday.

Greg left this comment:

"Well Mike you are correct that THIS vote alone does not solve everything, they now need to vote in different British politicians. Its a process and the people need to take control and responsibility for the leaders they choose. They have NO choice of the people who make the Euro decisions out of Brussels."

I don't see how this solves anything. Austerity policies in the UK were not caused by the EU. They were caused by the Conservatives who the Brits kept voting for.

My best guess is that the political future of the UK is grim.

Unless somehow this bad decision is reversed and this is not going to be easy

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2016/06/just-how-bad-will-brexit-be-and-can-it.html#comment-form

There stands a real possiblity that Britain has just made a decision that not only may have begun the dissolution of the EU but of Britain itself.

The Scotts and the Irish may well take a hike and it will be just Little England. Life within England will be grim for those who don't like austerity policies or conservative Administrations.

Scott Sumner recently praised nonwhite voters from rescuing Americans again and again. In the UK, it's been the Irish and especially the Scottish who have rescued the UK from total Tory rule.

If they go it's over for liberals in the country.

The future will be pretty grim also for London submerged in Little England. London is going to be at the mercy of the rest of Little England which is going further and further to the Right.

Britain-or should we say England-will become poorer and less important internationally.

It is interesting to hear someone like Larry Summers say this:

"The political challenge in many countries going forward is to develop a “responsible nationalism”. It is clear that there is a hunger on the part of electorates, if not the Davos set within countries, for approaches to policy that privilege local interests and local people over more cosmopolitan concerns. Channeling this hunger constructively rather than destructively is the challenge for the next decade. We now know that neither denying the hunger, or explaining that it is based on fallacy is a viable strategy."

Considering that Summers himself is very much part of this Davos set, you wonder what this 'responsible nationalism' could look like.

In the future I think we will have to take Scott Sumner's jibe seriously. In America, it's going to be the nonwhite folks who are going to save America from going the way of Little England or for that matter of Europe.



36 comments:

  1. Mike, the good news though is that the conservatives (if they match the Brexit voters) are the baby boomers, and they're going to die off. So it might not be so terrible after all... maybe London can colonize more and more of the periphery as the old codgers die off. Those young people who mature into their middle years, will have fond memories of being more closely integrated with Europe.

    I heard on the radio tonight that there are over 2 million British expats living in the rest of the EU. A good proportion of them actually are older people who've retired and moved to properties they purchased in Spain. They are now royally fucked because their pensions are uncertain. Imagine 2 million very pissed off people (well, say 1 million, just because some are young people who may be able to figure a way to stay put) come back to England. Who are they going to be pissed off at? I think the Brexit crew.

    I think there's probably a shit load of less well to do folks who are immediately pissed off because their petrol prices took a big jump upwards overnight.

    Simon Wren-Lewis called it a victory of the tabloids. Now what are the tabloids' motivation in this? I don't know, but selling subscriptions is probably one of them. So if the shit hits the fan, don't you think it's possible that they will drop their Brexit bias and start dumping on the Brexit promise breakers. The more chaos there is to report about the better for them, right? So if they can get a few lynching crews riled up to take their frustrations out on the Brexit crowd, that's going to be some exciting shit to report on, don't you think? I doubt they have any loyalty one way or the other.

    Scotland and Northern Ireland combined have only a small fraction of the population of the rest of the UK:

    Population in millions:

    England: 53
    Wales: 3
    Scotland: 5
    N. Ireland: 2

    UK in total: 64

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    1. Also food has got to jump up in price too, right? After all the UK would starve to death if it didn't have trade to bring in food. It almost happened in WWII had the Battle of the Atlantic gone for the U-boats. The Brits ate a lot of Brussel Sprouts I hear during the leanest years. Not a lot of protein in that, I don't imagine.

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  2. As a British national I feel the pain of the ex pats. I guess I'm an ex pat?

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    1. Yes, you are an ex pat. I asked Phil Mason (Thunderf00t) in the comment of one of his Brexit videos if he voted. He says he hasn't lived in the UK for some time, spending most the his time in the US, France, Germany and Switzerland. It'll be interesting to see if he responds to my question.

      He made a bold prediction in the comments to his latest video: that the UK wouldn't actually end up leaving the EU. He got about 480 responses to that comment alone (so far)! Lol. Here's his comment:

      anyone who thinks Brexit won, doesnt know what a pyrrhic victory is! FYI.... having thought about this a little. Im gonna make a bold prediction (Ill explain later sometime). Britain will remain in the EU because of a referendum. But will democracy really have triumphed? Screencap now for posterity! EDIT... the details. U cannot have a second referendum without a reason. If it looks like the UK will hurt hard (which it will, who will invest in a country with an unstable future) or Scotland will leave etc etc. NOTE the article 50 exit clause hasnt been invoked yet (2 years to exit). Until someone hits the red button, all bets are off. EU will negotiate a deal with UK..... and what choice will uk have but for a second referendum. The close margin of the last referendum will probably galvanize the remain ppl for referendum 2. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Personally I think the UK should sleep in the bed its made. But honestly, i see the above as more likely.

      Here's his latest video that goes with:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX0U9i8qnk8
      (It looks like one of those damn annoying Google chat things with several other people, so I didn't bother listening to the actual video)

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  3. BTW, have you seen that Nigel Farage guy in action? I saw a video of him insulting some big wig in the EU. They say he's a bit of a drunk. Although, if that's an example of a British mountebank / loudmouth / Trumpesque politician, he still sounds about 10x smarter, knowledgeable and more eloquent than Trump does.

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  4. I've got to hand it to RedState: they do come up with some hilarious graphics:
    http://www.redstate.com/uploads/2016/05/Trump-Car-Salesman2.jpg

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  5. Mike, You wrote: And this is the trouble with fiscal stimulus: it requires so much political will. This is the advantage of monetary policy-it doesn't require democratic consensus. While that statement is certainly true, it does nothing in the form of stimulus if policy makers that do have power, continue to cut spending and taxes during recessions and low growth rates. And no, I'm not a Marxist. You Popeye's eating chicken shit. :) lol

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    1. LOL.. I've been worried that I'm talking myself out of Popeye's.

      I only used the word Marxist when you used the Neoliberal world.

      I agree on fiscal stimulus-though strictly the policymakers also give the Fed it's orders and could change it's instructions in ways that could make them do a better job.

      Don't get me wrong-I prefer fiscal stimulus. But this doesn't happen in the US unless Dems have have the power.

      With Nigel Farage as the next PM it's not happening any time soon for the Brits. Also by kicking out immigrants and workers from the EU the British are actually hurting their own NIH.

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  6. First getting out from under the troika in Brussels IS something. Those *unelected* monetarist/Austrian bureaucrats who have deemed them selves the only ones who know how to run an economy are a net negative to anyone that must listen to them. But now the Brits must focus on their domestic economy and realizing what capacity they have to take care of them selves.
    I dont see how all the doom and gloom is inevitable. Do you think that people that were selling to the Brits last month will stop selling? They might out of some spite I suppose but tell me, where are they going to find others to sell that stuff too in the Eurozone? You know people act as if businesses can just dump customers and go find someone else to buy their wares. Good luck with that in the austerity driven Eurozone. Might the prices rise? Sure but the seller better be careful about simply gouging out of contempt. Maybe some British domestic producers can sell more at home and save shipping costs. If you look at what Britain did as a relative devaluation, that provides some advantages as well does it not? Have countries around the world not been trying to play the "weaken your currency to stimulate exports" game for the last 5+ years..........at the request of so many of these austerity driven economists? The chicken littles running around citing the death of England are just as irrational as the folks blaming the immigrants for all their problems. England has the capacity to increase their living standards all by themselves, without reliance on their treaties with Euro nations. Once things settle down a little Im sure Greece, Spain and some others could find it in their hearts to trade something with the Brits. If not there is always China, India Brazil.
    Its a big world and lots of people will trade with you. Of course expecting the British politicians to actually look out for Brits is a bit naive isn't it? But they cant blame any of their problems on connections with Europe now can they!

    And BTW, whatever payments that the Brits have been promising to folks like yourself could continue ad infinitum if they wanted. They cannot run out of Pounds. If they are decreasing them its a choice based on a false reliance on financial markets that is really at the heart of ALL the worlds problems. It really is ALL about money, the common wisdom is dead on in that regard. And until enough people start to reevaluate exactly how we can use our money systems to better reach our true capacities as individuals/societies/nations we are screwed any way.

    This exit vote will make all the voters look at their domestic capacity with a little more scrutiny

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    1. I think the chances that Brexit leads them to become MMTers and not rip me off are exactly nil

      Again, this is what I always talk about: there's what might be first best or second best policy, then there's the real world of what is plausible policy.

      As this has empowered the Right I don't see this as improving UK fiscal or monetary policies anytime soon

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  7. First of all Greg, you're my buddy, but could you just at least express a little sympathy that what has happened in the UK-whether you personally like it or not-has potentially cost me a lot of money? At least Tom has sympathized.

    It's tough I admit when you may just have lost 20 to 40 percent of your own inheritance to correctly estimate the total net impact-which is tough to do and will take some time

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    1. Well, I'm sympathetic. You've been trying to lose some pounds for a while now. Oh wait, not those pounds. Take those pounds and go long on the currency. It may take a while, but that was a pretty steep drop in one day. Greg, I see your argument but do you think that now that GB has regained control of its economy they're going to start addressing the concerns of those that have the feeling they've been left behind? As Mike noted yesterday, the Brits have been voting for domestic austerity for quite some time. I don't see this latest development changing that much. The bankers still have control. It's just more local now. The beatings will continue until morale improves.

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    2. LOL. I didn't actually lose 40 percent yet. I lost about 10 percent on Friday.

      My worry is that it drops a lot further from here.

      From what we've been hearing in the UK, the main payment could be coming soon.

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    3. Mike

      I hope you know that my detached analysis of this situation does not mean I have no sympathy for people like you who may be harmed financially by this because I certainly do. It is all very unfortunate and unnecessary.

      I do think its too early to take the toll (but of course those austerians looking to cut will jump on this with a vengeance...... and if the markets rally even past old levels they will still refuse to raise those debt payments back..... part of the sick financialized world we inhabit) and there is a lot of negative hysteria as well.

      Im sorry if you think my support, on some level, of Brexit means I dont care about the potential harm form the decision or more importantly WHO may be harmed. That is completely false. I will argue though that way more lives have been affected negatively by the guys in Brussels over the last 8 years. Would you trade places with the average Greek right now?

      Can you tell me of a way forward that guarantees no one will suffer any financial harm under current arrangements? Id love to support one.

      I admit that my personal situation, where I completely divested of the stock market (in 2007 right at its peak) and have not reinvested at all has freed me form a certain level of worry. Yes I keep getting told by our 401k guy that Im gonna get killed by inflation if i dont get out of cash but after almost ten years of absolutely not giving a shit what the Dow is doing I gotta tell you its a very nice feeling. I sincerely wish more people could fly their finger at the CNBC shysters. I won't be able to retire and keep my current level of income (as many of my colleagues are being told they will be able to do) but I am okay with that. I want to live on less. I am shrinking my "needs" by the year. All this to say Im not as wedded to market performance as most everyone else and so maybe I can better see the negative affects of our modern financialized lives on the average citizen but I truly wish everyone had my freedom, I dont want to just keep it for me. It hurts to see peoples lives thrown out of kilter by the vagaries of irrational market reactions...... and it doesn't HAVE to be this way for any of us.

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    4. @nanute

      "Greg, I see your argument but do you think that now that GB has regained control of its economy they're going to start addressing the concerns of those that have the feeling they've been left behind?"

      In a word.......... NO!


      But tell me, exactly how they were doing in that regards before the vote?

      At least now, if the people start looking around and asking the right questions they might see that Britain has every capacity to care for its own at whatever level it is willing to "afford". They still have to elect British politicians with a concurrent sense of public purpose.

      Look I have no illusions that this vote will have magical affects. In my view the ones who believe in magical affects are those who say, free trade, low regulations, open borders, flexible wages, unlimited capacity to accumulate capital and govt who balance budgets are the keys to a future where everyone reaches their potential and becomes as rich as they possibly can. Pretty much the story of most economists today who advise anyone of influence. They dismiss all negative affects in economies as simply examples of not doing the above prescribed things hard enough. That is the magical thinking... that economists have already figured why we have recessions and financial crises and mass unemployment and if we just listened to them and let CBers do their "money magic" all would be as well as it could be. To them there is no need for smart govt because govt just listens to people who are stupid and vote for things like minimum wages and paid vacations. Kind of sounds like Scott Sumner huh?

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    5. " I will argue though that way more lives have been affected negatively by the guys in Brussels over the last 8 years. Would you trade places with the average Greek right now?"

      True. I've been as critical of that as anyone. But, the Greeks are very different than the Brits.

      It's the euro thing. That makes all the difference in the world.

      The funny thing is I was supportive of the idea of Grexit but the Greeks lacked the confidence to do it.

      Now the Brits have done it though they didn't really need to like Greece did.

      There is a difference between being on the euro and part of the EU.

      Being part of the EU, at least has some significant benefits.

      For one, thing being able to work anywhere without a visa.

      Now simply taking a trip to the continent requires a visa.

      That's just a big step back.

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    6. Greg,
      I agree with you. It's like Einstein's definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different result.
      Not only in GB but here at home as well, we've been insistent on austerity and tax cuts for the wealthy at the expense of the hollowed out middle class. And yet the middle class has consistently voted against their own self interest since Ronald Reagan started playing three card Monte with predominantly white's fear of the "others." To raise this obvious point is met with "you're playing the race card, when in fact it is the conservatives and the Republican Party in particular that is in fact playing the race card.
      Back to the point of the Brexit: See the parallels with regard to US nativism? How does labor regain power now that "home rule" has been re-established is the question. I posted this link yesterday on how it might be possible, and arguing why exit might be beneficial to the left and progressives in GB. I'm not sure that in the short run the exit is good for GB but perhaps long term it could be. https://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/left-case-brexit

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    7. "There is a difference between being on the euro and part of the EU.
      Being part of the EU, at least has some significant benefits. "

      Yes but again you are just thinking like a Sumnerish economist, " open borders and free movement of labor will be a boom for everyone!!"
      Uhhhhhh.... well until the movement of labor drives down wages and causes some Brits to lose domestic jobs and the govt fails to offset it.

      The thing is all those prescriptions put forth come with a caveat. IF you have your own currency and aren't tied to something else like gold or another currency and IF your national govt understands this properly and uses the fiscal power it has, it can mitigate many of the negative affects of these macro changes form open borders and free labor movement . If not your stuck with what we have... a bunch of people who are just telling you that you need to learn to work like a robot (no breaks and just a little lubricant) and that you are overpaid for the productivity you have. Cant imagine why people might be a tad upset, its not like they needed that salary to pay for a mortgage or anything.......... and our newspaper column dwelling economists just tell them how irrational they are being.

      Ill make a prediction here. If the Brits do change their minds (sounds like they might) the EU will come back with some requirement to be on the Euro as a disciplining measure. Cant have them contemplating leaving again.

      But I do think the "they aren't on the Euro" trope is a little misguided. Britain may not have a fixed exchange rate with the Euro but as super super serious trading partners (as opposed to just super serious like they are with Canada ;-) ) any move in the Euro affects their terms of trade in Britain so they have had their living standards affected by all the Euro nonsense the last 8 years just because if how it trades vs the pound. London banks in particular have been affected (though many of those guys are just winning on either side of the trade so they are encouraging some of this nonsense) ...but banks are also protected with an amazingly effective social safety net. I guess its only the super expensive safety nets that work so well!!

      Not being "on" the Euro is not a total shield from European monetary policy idiocy especially with a small import dependent economy like GB

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    8. Well getting out of the EU won't change this unless they stop trading with Europe.

      Being on the euro is much worse than this, It makes this impossible:

      "The thing is all those prescriptions put forth come with a caveat. IF you have your own currency and aren't tied to something else like gold or another currency and IF your national govt understands this properly and uses the fiscal power it has, it can mitigate many of the negative affects of these macro changes form open borders and free labor movement"

      This caveat always applied to Britain

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  8. "First getting out from under the troika in Brussels IS something. Those *unelected* monetarist/Austrian bureaucrats who have deemed them selves the only ones who know how to run an economy are a net negative to anyone that must listen to them. But now the Brits must focus on their domestic economy and realizing what.capacity they have to take care of them selves."

    But the bad economic management of the UK is not on the EU as the UK is not on the euro.

    You might think that Sadomonetarists control the EU and I might agree but then who do you think runs the UK? The austerity they've gone through is not thanks to the the EU but thanks to those the British have themselves elected.

    If this didn't mean the dominance of Tory rule in the long run it could be a good thing-though again, they could do better economic policy whether they were in the EU or not.

    Their lousy policy was not because the EU told them to do it but rather because they elected David Cameron and now, evidently, Nigel Farage.

    As for gloom and doom, I don't know for sure how it works out. Just saying I think it was a bad choice. There are a number of effects to disentangle:

    1. The short term macroeconomic effect. This is the party that may bode very ill for me-unless I move back to the UK. LOL

    I know that it's just short term but if the pound craters I'm personally fucked. Again, I''d love for you to at least acknowledge this personal worry of mine.

    Will the overall shorterm effect continue to be so rough in terms of the currency and equity markets not just in Britain but around the world that we saw Friday?

    We'll have to see.

    Of course if things go to bad, maybe the UK looks into backing out. There is already a petition that has over 2 million names for a new vote.

    2. The longer term effect on the British economy. Now Krugman thinks it will be a net negative. Britain will be poorer. He doesn't think it will necessarily be catastrophic but why would you choose to be poorer?

    3. Politics. In the future, UK politics look totally screwed. Scotland and Ireland may leave, and you will have the Tories-or even worse UKIP-win every election as far as the eye can see.

    Imagine if the next 20 years in the US will be dominated by the Republicans and a new Donald Trump party.

    4. Even if you think it has the potential to be a net positive over time monetarily and fiscally, it is a very bad development in terms of the rise of anti immigrant and anti Muslim hysteria.

    I don't think Hitler comparisons are overwrought. The Hitler economy arguably worked pretty well in the early years-they simply forced people to do jobs-forced labor can raise GDP.

    I have to note that you, Greg, a white guy from the South, sometimes seem to totally gloss over what developments like Trump or Nigel Farage mean folks that are of dubious whiteness.

    Again, I know you're a good guy and I'm not accusing you of anything.

    But you know, there are a number of Bernie supporters-not saying you-like Susan Sarandon that seem to feel that if Bernie can't win, it'd be cool to have Trump for 4 years.

    She's not to worried about deporting 12 million people and a Muslim ban-but then she's a privileged white woman who is totally insulated from such policies.

    Again, please understand I'm not saying I think you're a racist. But I do think you need to acknowledge that economics isn't everything.

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  9. Even if Britain were now to do deficit spending-which there is no reason to believe based on who is now empowered politically in the UK-this would be cold comfort for those immigrants and Muslims who are cracked down on.

    I think the kids voted yes not because they were tricked but because they're more sensitive to this.

    "Until the final days before the referendum, much of the coverage outside of the UK discussed the "Brexit" in economic terms. But particularly for young people in the UK, deciding whether to leave the European Union was a bigger question of national identity, with the "Leave" campaign representing a rejection of immigrants and foreigners and the "Remain" campaign representing a hopeful cosmopolitanism."

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/24/this-comment-perfectly-explains-why-brexit-has-left-the-uks-young-feeling-so-devastated.html

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  10. Regarding 'neoliberalism' I'm not sure that makes you that, but the one good thing about most folks I think you can call NLs, is they are not zenophobes.

    That is worth something.

    Everything you're seeing in Britain, in Europe, and with Trump here in the US is going the opposite way.

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  11. By the way the only reason this is not our future:

    Imagine if the next 20 years in the US will be dominated by the Republicans and a new Donald Trump party.

    is because of the fact that nearly 40 percent of the electorate are nonwhite. Thank God for that.

    If it were up to white folks we probably could elect Hitler himself again as long as they guy promised to pull out of all trade deals.

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  12. "The chicken littles running around citing the death of England are just as irrational as the folks blaming the immigrants for all their problems."

    It's not the death of England, but potentially the death of the UK. This is a political death being referred to.

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  13. "I have to note that you, Greg, a white guy from the South, sometimes seem to totally gloss over what developments like Trump or Nigel Farage mean folks that are of dubious whiteness."

    Cmon Mike, you must not have ever read me very closely then. I am a "white guy feeling totally out of place with all these other southern white guys" who happens to live in the south. I am the complete antithesis of the SWM. Plus I have son who married an African American girl so my two grand sons are of "dubious whiteness"

    There is nothing I abhor more than Trumps racial politics. I am skeptical that it is genuine on his part and not just a play to the lowest common denominator in his newly chosen party (which is detestable in its own right to be sure -but pretty standard for politicians) but I certainly do NOT look forward to a world where these good old boys think they have "won" and can now do what the hell they want.

    "Again, please understand I'm not saying I think you're a racist. But I do think you need to acknowledge that economics isn't everything. "

    Well, no need for your qualifier, Ive never felt you were calling me any names but I do think that while it may be true that economics isn't everything money damn sure is! We can agree I think that while the concern about money leads to some pretty piss poor economics and politics, money is THE driving force in todays world.... which is EXACTLY how the neoliberals want it to be.

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  14. And regarding you comment about Marxism to nanute I found this which I think is pretty good. Its a sociology prof talking to students about Marx;


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    "To demonstrate this point let me use a modern-day commentator on social class: Jeff Foxworthy. You are probably aware of this comedian’s routine about identifying rednecks. Well consider this sociological version of Foxworthy’s comedy act based on some of the key ideas of Karl Marx (the effect is better if you can read it with Foxworthy’s southern twang):

    If you’ve ever said “it all comes down to money” or if you believe that the economy is the driving force of society then you might be a Marxist. Marx referred to this as historical materialism—the idea that our lives evolve and are shaped by our quest to fill our basic material needs (food, shelter, clothing, etc.).

    If you are concerned that in the United States and across the globe the gap between the rich and poor continues to grow each year then you might be a Marxist. Marx predicted that under capitalism income inequality would continue to expand as the rich got richer and the poor got poorer. He also warned that this may ultimately lead to widespread social unrest.

    If you believe that we live in an era of globalization then you might be a Marxist. In The Communist Manifesto, his most famous book and one of the most important political texts of all time, Marx and his co-author Fredrick Engels predicted way back in 1848 that capitalists would have to go all across the globe to find cheap labor and new markets to sell their goods. As all politicians and economists agree, this is the defining feature of our current globalized reality.

    If you believe that many people have lives in which they feel disconnected, disengaged, dissatisfied, and disillusioned then you might be a Marxist. When you feel like you are not fully invested in or do not have any personal connection to your schoolwork, your job, and even some of your social relationships, you are experiencing what Marx termed alienation or estrangement.

    If you can admit (or are bothered by the fact) that you are more interested in the goods you buy than the people who make these goods then you may be a Marxist. Most of us never think about the human labor that goes into all of the things we buy and consume. Have you ever considered the people working in far-away sweatshops (often in horrible working conditions) who make your clothes, your cell phone, or your athletic equipment? Or the migrant workers who harvest the fruits and vegetables that show up in your local supermarket? This process of desiring the product but disregarding the people who produce the product is what Marx called commodity fetishism.

    If you believe that your social position—such as your gender, race, class, nationality, ability, religion, etc.—determines what you think, believe, and even feel then you might be a Marxist.

    Some people believe that their ideas are independent of their social position. They may attribute their ideas to their biology or personality: “It’s just who I am; I was born like this.” Sociologists reject this idea. No one is born a racist. No one is born aspiring to be a doctor instead of a criminal. Our social structural position has a tremendous influence on how we come to see the world and find our place in the world. This is a foundational principle of sociology and it comes directly from Marx: “It is not the consciousness of [individuals] that determines their existence, but their social existence that determines their consciousness.”

    Like all great thinkers and prolific writers, Marx said things that weren’t true. And his most famous prediction that capitalism would be replaced by communism certainly has proven false. But does that mean we should reject everything he said? Isn’t this a classic example of the old cliché: throwing the baby out with the bathwater?"
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    Maybe Im more Marxist than I knew

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  15. Nanute and Greg, you guys obviously agree on quite a lot, LOL.

    It's cool, whether you agree with me or not, it's nice to see someone other than Tom Brown pulling his weight in the comments section.

    To be sure the thing Nanute does is actually buy Amazon off my blog.

    Speaking of which, Greg, if there is anything worth buying off Amazon for you,now could be a good time to help your buddy out-as I'm 10 percent lighter on the bankers markets and all that...

    LOL

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    1. I have bought some books for my kindle form here Mike. Its been a little while I must say and my wife does most of the shopping in our marriage. I need to direct her to go to Amazon form your site. Give a me little time to talk to her about it.

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    2. I agree with you on a lot Mike, Tom too.

      Im not like most guys my age nearing retirement who dont want anything to change. Im sitting there telling all the young kids to go out and make the world they want, stop listening to the crusty old farts who are just interested in protecting their SS payments and then concern trolling about how their kids won't be able to have it!!

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    3. Thanks Greg (and nanute). I'm not caught up on all the discussions here... I'm sure they're interesting.

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  16. It would be very much appreciated regarding Amazon Greg!

    I try to tell folks it's costless assuming they ever buy anything on Amazon

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  17. By the way, let me thank you Greg for your incisive comments about monetary policy here today.

    On economic issues in particular I always try to be humble. Who can really say with any confidence what the repercussions will be?

    While I'm not sure I agree with all your analysis-as if you can ever agree with anyone all the time- it's certainly helpful for giving a broader perspective.

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    1. Incisive....... nice!!!!

      Well I dont comment as much here or anywhere anymore but some topics get me going a little bit. I apologize for writing tomes but I have this soapbox next to my chair which needs standing on!

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  18. What I have tried to do since Brexit is try to read from a lot of different economic perspectives to get some handle on what this really means

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