There are a lot of reasons to-she's the only person qualified to be President, as Obama says maybe the most qualified candidate to ever run; she's the sort of problem solving, incremental pragmatist who might be able to do more than simply affirm liberal's aspirations; and that she is the first female candidate to win a major party nomination is not a small source of appeal.
But this piece in the National Journal could be the best reason yet. A number of Tea Partiers vow to quit if she does win.
"Serve under President Hillary Clinton? I’d rather quit."
"That’s what a few House Republicans are starting to murmur as the campaign of their presumptive presidential nominee, Donald Trump, sinks into a shambles. The feeling is particularly prevalent among members of the historic class of 2010, many of whom left private life to run for Congress and have spent the last six years blocking President Obama’s agenda."
"Rep. Mick Mulvaney said that he, his South Carolina colleague Trey Gowdy, and other members of the class have openly talked about retiring after their next term ends if Clinton wins—not so much because they don’t like her specifically, but because serving as a House Republican under what they see as a third term of the Obama administration would be a thankless job."
“If it’s going to be a frustrating, sometimes meaningless task, there are better things to do,” Mulvaney said. “Trey and I and a lot of other folks who are sort of from our class … we’re sort of waiting to see how the election goes next November.”
"The growing frustration of working at cross-purposes with a Democratic president comes as Speaker Paul Ryan prepares this week to unveil the final portions of a five-part House GOP agenda meant to show the public what Congress would do with a Republican in the White House. Ryan has said the agenda is aimed at quelling the criticism from some quarters that congressional Republicans have defined themselves only by what they are against, not by what they would do with the power they have sought."
"But that Republican vision would be for naught if Clinton is elected. What’s more, Republican constituents would be frustrated once again by empty promises from their leaders, said one House Republican who took office in 2010 and who requested anonymity so he could discuss his colleagues’ futures frankly. The member said those who first took office in the 112th Congress have spent the last six years showing the American public that they want to stop Obamacare, the Dodd-Frank financial-reform law, and other signature Obama-era policies. Now the public wants to see action, the member said, and action would be nearly impossible if Clinton is elected."
“If that happens, I think where will be a mass exodus,” the member said. “Our class was an unusual class of outsiders. They understand that there’s so much more to life than serving in Congress. And if they have to spend eight years of that life keeping their fingers in the dyke instead of being able to actually create new policies, they’re not going to do it. They’re going to let someone else do it.”
https://www.nationaljournal.com/s/637926?unlock=Y6SKB95O648R9QVT
If that isn't enough to get you excited about voting for Hillary Clinton, nothing will
It's enough that it's a vote to avoid an existential threat to the Republic. Even some conservative pundits have come to describe a President Hillary as a 'survivable event.'
UPDATE: I think the phrase itself 'survivable event' is a coinage of Tom Brown.
But if the Tea Partiers from 2010 flee over President Hillary that just makes the case for President Hillary all the more compelling.
But this piece in the National Journal could be the best reason yet. A number of Tea Partiers vow to quit if she does win.
"Serve under President Hillary Clinton? I’d rather quit."
"That’s what a few House Republicans are starting to murmur as the campaign of their presumptive presidential nominee, Donald Trump, sinks into a shambles. The feeling is particularly prevalent among members of the historic class of 2010, many of whom left private life to run for Congress and have spent the last six years blocking President Obama’s agenda."
"Rep. Mick Mulvaney said that he, his South Carolina colleague Trey Gowdy, and other members of the class have openly talked about retiring after their next term ends if Clinton wins—not so much because they don’t like her specifically, but because serving as a House Republican under what they see as a third term of the Obama administration would be a thankless job."
“If it’s going to be a frustrating, sometimes meaningless task, there are better things to do,” Mulvaney said. “Trey and I and a lot of other folks who are sort of from our class … we’re sort of waiting to see how the election goes next November.”
"The growing frustration of working at cross-purposes with a Democratic president comes as Speaker Paul Ryan prepares this week to unveil the final portions of a five-part House GOP agenda meant to show the public what Congress would do with a Republican in the White House. Ryan has said the agenda is aimed at quelling the criticism from some quarters that congressional Republicans have defined themselves only by what they are against, not by what they would do with the power they have sought."
"But that Republican vision would be for naught if Clinton is elected. What’s more, Republican constituents would be frustrated once again by empty promises from their leaders, said one House Republican who took office in 2010 and who requested anonymity so he could discuss his colleagues’ futures frankly. The member said those who first took office in the 112th Congress have spent the last six years showing the American public that they want to stop Obamacare, the Dodd-Frank financial-reform law, and other signature Obama-era policies. Now the public wants to see action, the member said, and action would be nearly impossible if Clinton is elected."
“If that happens, I think where will be a mass exodus,” the member said. “Our class was an unusual class of outsiders. They understand that there’s so much more to life than serving in Congress. And if they have to spend eight years of that life keeping their fingers in the dyke instead of being able to actually create new policies, they’re not going to do it. They’re going to let someone else do it.”
https://www.nationaljournal.com/s/637926?unlock=Y6SKB95O648R9QVT
If that isn't enough to get you excited about voting for Hillary Clinton, nothing will
It's enough that it's a vote to avoid an existential threat to the Republic. Even some conservative pundits have come to describe a President Hillary as a 'survivable event.'
UPDATE: I think the phrase itself 'survivable event' is a coinage of Tom Brown.
But if the Tea Partiers from 2010 flee over President Hillary that just makes the case for President Hillary all the more compelling.
'Survivable Event' is a term used by one of the RedState or TheResurgent authors. Most likely Leon Wolf or Ben Howe. Probably Wolf. Wolf is not a Hillary fan, but his preference for her is evident if not explicit. Howe has publicly and directly stated that he's for Clinton over Trump.
ReplyDeleteEarlier I was afraid of a GOP convention fight to get rid of Trump, but now I'm thinking that would be awesome, especially if the attempt fails. What would be even better is a convention floor filled with Trump loyalists (skin head neo-Nazis) who eventually physically intimidate a majority of delegates into sticking with Trump... maybe some of those pro-Trump lunatics (like I posted a youtube link to yesterday) to show up with the assault weapons (even if they don't let them inside). But even if they do manage (after a brutal, bitter struggle) to get rid of him, it might be perfect. I can't think of a more divisive event to happen. The GOP will NOT be a happy family after such an event or attempted event. That's what we need in this country: a GOP that actually splits. That forces those on the right to choose a mutually loathing camp. No "safe space" like Limbaugh tries to inhabit. Choose a side and say goodbye forever to those who chose differently.
ReplyDeleteWe need a strong finish in 2020 Mike. We need to play the long game. We need to break the GOP gerrymandering stranglehold on congressional districts. Once they lose that advantage, and once they've been branded as the racist party for the next generation (and hopefully inspired Latino voters to participate like they never have before, starting with this election), they are toast. They are toast from that point forward. They can maybe hang onto some influence in the Senate (only because states like Wyoming get the same number of senators as do California, Texas, NY and Florida), but even that influence will slowly die off as those "flyover" states become more and more populated by the growing Latino descendants. I hope what Trump does to the Latino vote is what Goldwater did to the black vote: gives the Dems a 90% lock on them for the next 70 years.
It may be that their competitiveness for the presidency is already at an end. And I don't just mean for this election... I mean for all future presidential elections for the next 50 to 70 years. Romney did poorly, but I think Trump will be a Goldwater like disaster for them in that regard.
Let's make it extremely unfun for tea party types at the national level. Let's make the tea party a regional thing. Maybe they have some influence is a few statehouses, but I'd like to see that rabble disappear forever from the national stage. I'd love to see the same happen with the Christian right. Let's return them to their former status of being extremely skeptical of all government... back when a "good Christian" didn't fool around in the dirty business of politics. Just not fun anymore. Perhaps it's time to go off the grid. The neo-Amish movement would be a nice way for them to exit.
I'd like to believe this article today by Michael Taube:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-dumping-trump-would-be-even-worse-than-keeping-him/2016/06/22/d662325a-38bf-11e6-8f7c-d4c723a2becb_story.html
That gives me hope. The #NeverTrump / #DumpTrump forces are still telling themselves that it's a good idea for their side. I hope that both things happen: that they convince themselves it's a good idea to try, but Taube is ultimately right: it's a disaster for the GOP (win or lose).
I'm totally with you on everything Tom of course.
ReplyDeleteI love the idea of a strong finish in 2020 and the 50 years out of the WH thing.
That in a sense seems like too much to hope for until you realize it's happened before. The Dems were very dominant between FDR and LBJ, and the GOP was very dominant between Lincoln and Hoover. The one thing the Dems had in those years, of course, was the South
However, I still want Trump to get through the convention-though ending with the party an un-unified as possible.
Though I wrote my desire for Trump to win the convention before seeing your link on Taube. I'll check out his argument
ReplyDeleteWhat I always goad the Republicans with is something like this (say Mark Davis, writing that conservatives should stop complaining about Trump because it's better to take a chance with him than elect Hillary):
ReplyDeletehttp://www.redstate.com/absentee/2016/06/23/neat-trick-donald-trump-forgot-worlds-greatest-memory/
I say, "Really Republicans? A two-bit con artist? That's the best you can do? Trump should be selling penny stocks with a pump and dump scam out of a New Jersey boiler room somewhere. He'd probably be good at *that*. It's embarrassing that he's the nominee for president of a once great political party."
I do think that Taube is right. Jennifer Rubin deceives herself. If the GOP tried her delegate chicanery that would be a disaster for the GOP.
ReplyDeleteIt would poison the well in the party worse than anything ever seen.
I tend to think that her schemes show that she still isn't quite admitting what's happened.
To think the GOP can salvage the Presidency this year shows she-and many others calling for this-are in denial.
It's good to hear your opinion. Thanks.
DeleteOf course, as you know, it's not just her. Kendal Unruh is the Cruz delegate leading the charge on this. Still, it would be awesome to see them pass a new rule that required that any nominee release all their tax returns. I WOULD love that.
Of course others for this include Rick Wilson, Kristol, David French and Erick Erickson (and his minions). Here's Steve Berman (minion) on this today:
http://theresurgent.com/republicans-how-to-beat-hillary/
Republicans, let’s beat Hillary. Let’s get past all this arguing. There’s only one little bitty detail we have to take care of first.
Dump Trump. He’s a loser.
I think he's delusional, and yet he's not delusional about Trump's chances like Mark Davis is (the guy he quotes).
Yes. Certainly agree about the rule on the tax returns. Hopefully, if nothing else, this becomes something that the Rubins of the world manage to impose or at least really pressure Trump on.
ReplyDeleteHe has now agreed today to 'forgive' his 'loan' to his own campaign. That means he's 50 million lighter now.
He did this because he is feeling pressure by the GOP now.
Overall, the side that wants to take out Trump and those who want to rally behind him are both right about some things and delusional about other
I'm watching Fox Business now-it's come to that.
ReplyDeleteI'm trying to follow the Brexit vote and only FBN has it. LOL.
They have guys talking to the female anchor. One of them is some Trump supporter from the US who keeps tying the Brexit thing to Trump and 'elites in a rigged system telling us what to do.'
He is more interested in talking about Trump than Brexit but regarding Brexit he boils it down to fancy pants EU elites telling Brits what to do.
Right now the vote is very close. The US futures and Asian markets are being hit very hard.
Wow a lot hangs in the balance!
Doesn't look good.
DeleteNo, Brexit seems to have won.
ReplyDeleteBad news for Britain, very bad news for all the world's markets for now at least.
And potentially bad news for yours truly as I am receiving an major check from the UK soon.
Maybe now I should go back there as the pound may be worth very little soon.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-global-markets-idUKKCN0Z92MZ
DeleteThis sucks. If Scotland puts up another vote to leave the UK, maybe London can ask to go with them... leave all rest to "build a wall."
Indeed. It's funny. I'm from England. But on my Mother's side, I'm also Scottish.
ReplyDeleteMaybe I'll have to move there. At least my inheritance will be worth something
I guess Birmingham voted to remain too. I haven't been following it too closely, but from what I can tell a bunch of xenophobic anti-immigrant nationalists, rightists and far leftists all scared uneducated whites in the North of England into this... and told them to ignore the warnings of "elitists." The warnings from those elitists seem to be unfolding right before their eyes as I type. Of course the "Leave" forces will accept zero blame. Hopefully this will serve as an example to the US not to let the flim-flam men shouting "globalists!" get to us.
DeleteI can see it now: if Brexit is blamed for world financial trouble, Trump will say "I never favored that!"
ReplyDeleteMike, I wonder why the Brits didn't arrange to do the voting in several rounds (kind of like how the French do their elections) so that they could see the effect on foreign exchange and the markets and let that sink in a bit between rounds of the vote. I think that worked out well for the French: they saw the nationalist party was doing well, and in the second round they reversed course. Imagine if the UK had had three rounds of voting in different geographic regions. If the North had voted first, and the markets went into turmoil (like they appear to be doing) it might have let the rest of the electorate take stock and think a bit before voting.
ReplyDeleteAlso I think I'm going to call it the Trump-favored Brexit from now on. =)
ReplyDeleteCome to think of it, I'd kind of like to see the same arrangement for our election this time. If Trump were to lead in the 1st round (and world financial markets react accordingly) it might put the fear of non-existent-god into the remaining electorate. Nothing like a dose of reality (like seeing your 401k cut in half) to wake voters out of their delusional nativist bubbles. You could believe Alex Jones and his assertion that the Illuminati are just fucking with you: your money is still there, they're just using a misinformation campaign... but then again, it sure looks like it's gone now. Hmmm, maybe Alex is full of shit after all?
ReplyDeleteI'm liking this idea more and more... we could have three rounds of voting depending on the last digit of your SSN: best to spread it out uniformly across the country in each round... that's the fairest way. Then if the voters were doing something really REALLY stupid (like electing Trump or Brexit) they could get some near real time feedback from reality about what a colossal cluster fuck they were about to impose on themselves. It would be a moderating force.