Wow. It's amazing how stupid the British are-and I say this as someone born in England who am still a natural UK citizen.
How great a decision is Brexit proving to be? This sort of says it all:
Trump calls Brexit historic, praises the queen, then touts the wonders of his Scottish golf course and the quality of the suites."
https://twitter.com/NKingofDC/status/746294521030389760
It's historic alright. But then lots of things have happened in history that we'd take back if we could. The Bubonic Plague was historic.
Trump is taking this as some sort of personal validation and why not? I guess there's always the theory that if the Brits could make such a stupid decision, so could we.
Now, normally, I like to think being a dual citizen gives me options. Like if the unthinkable did happen here-Trump is an example of something unthinkable-I could go back to the Mother Country.
But what if the choice between Britain the the US becomes a choice between Donald Trump and Nigel Farage?
Farage and Trump sure have a lot in common.
Nigel Farage says no we won't be able to spend £350m to the NHS... That was a mistake for Vote Leave to say that, he says.."
https://twitter.com/GuardianAnushka/status/746214335190441986
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-admits-wont-extra-8271594
Won't be the last such mistake.
I saw a female Labour MP last night who was a leader on Brexit.
Jeremy Weate says it best:
"English labour Brexiters have just voted for permanent right wing Tory rule. Guess they didnt see that far ahead.."
https://twitter.com/jeremyweate/status/746184471913840640
How great a decision is Brexit proving to be? This sort of says it all:
Trump calls Brexit historic, praises the queen, then touts the wonders of his Scottish golf course and the quality of the suites."
https://twitter.com/NKingofDC/status/746294521030389760
It's historic alright. But then lots of things have happened in history that we'd take back if we could. The Bubonic Plague was historic.
Trump is taking this as some sort of personal validation and why not? I guess there's always the theory that if the Brits could make such a stupid decision, so could we.
Now, normally, I like to think being a dual citizen gives me options. Like if the unthinkable did happen here-Trump is an example of something unthinkable-I could go back to the Mother Country.
But what if the choice between Britain the the US becomes a choice between Donald Trump and Nigel Farage?
Farage and Trump sure have a lot in common.
Nigel Farage says no we won't be able to spend £350m to the NHS... That was a mistake for Vote Leave to say that, he says.."
https://twitter.com/GuardianAnushka/status/746214335190441986
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-admits-wont-extra-8271594
Won't be the last such mistake.
I saw a female Labour MP last night who was a leader on Brexit.
Jeremy Weate says it best:
"English labour Brexiters have just voted for permanent right wing Tory rule. Guess they didnt see that far ahead.."
https://twitter.com/jeremyweate/status/746184471913840640
I actually think Brexit was the right vote. I won't oppose something just because many on the right support it as well.
ReplyDeleteIf you want full control of your country you need to be out from under the Brussels technocrats.
As it is currently set up the EU is unsustainable and needs to collapse AFA I am concerned. It is a neoliberal nightmare that was conceived by Chicago school economists years ago;
"Greg Palest, a journalist, who is also a brilliant mathematician, had as a young man infiltrated, or rather became a student of, the Chicago School, Milton Friedman’s university, which had been started up by the US aristocracy to spread their right wing propaganda. Greg Palast was a virulent anti neoliberal who impressed his Chicago School Economic professors with his mathematical capabilities and so became their top student. Then he actually wrote a neoliberal paper with Milton Friedman which he deeply regretted afterwards so he removed his name from it, especially as Milton Friedman loved Greg Palast’s crazy right wing ideas which he thought wouldn’t be taken seriously.
Anyway, Greg Palast describes how the EURO was designed by Chicago School professors exactly to destroy Europe’s social democracy. Some of these same professors had also worked along side Russian gangsters and to loot the Soviet Union under Yeltsin, say’s Greg Palast, and also they had helped to install many dictatorships in Latin America. Their technique is to use the ‘Shock Doctrine’, where they see their chance to seize a country that is in turmoil, as they are doing right now in Greece, and then try to privatize everything in sight giving it to the One Percent, the 0.00001%, the ruling elite, who own most of the World except Russia and China, regimes they are now trying to bring down."
How is permanent Right wing Tory rule 'taking your country back?'
ReplyDeleteHow is having to get a visa just to travel to Europe again making you freer? Sounds like less rather than 'full control.'
"Having to get a visa just to go to Europe. How depressing"
https://twitter.com/jeremyweate/status/746272705025015808
I'm sure the Brits will feel much freer with President Boris Johnson. That's full control?
Meanwhile, Nigel Farage already admits to the first big like of the Brexiters.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-admits-wont-extra-8271594
Then there are the immigrants in Britain for who life is about to get much tougher.
I presume Trump saying this is some great thing also doesn't give you pause.
Beyond this Greg:
ReplyDelete"Quite how the NHS will be staffed post Brexit is anyones guess. Feel so sorry for all the Europeans who had made Britain their home"
https://twitter.com/jeremyweate/status/746257352916148224
Those Brits sure sound free to me:
"Ive spent my career working on cancer research; only pos by EU funding. I hope Brexiters realise devastation this will cause to medicine"
https://twitter.com/ImAnitaSharma/status/746192952666382336
As for you being happy to being on the same side as the Right wing, are you sure?
"Fascist Nigel Farage 'no bullet fired' comment deliberately ignores the political murder of Jo Cox"
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farages-eu-referendum-victory-speech_uk_576ccc9ee4b08d2c5638df2e … # via @HuffPostUK
Meanwhile. Jeremy Corbyn is not embracing this. So the UK's Bernie is not seeing this as taking the country back.
The young people voted overwhelmingly to stay. They are now the victim of those idiots over 65 who just gave their savings and linked pensions a 12 percent haircut.
"Fascinating. The young who'll face the consequences of the vote wanted in."
https://twitter.com/IJRumsey/status/746215497289457665
"English labour Brexiters have just voted for permanent right wing Tory rule. Guess they didnt see that far ahead.."
https://twitter.com/jeremyweate/status/746184471913840640
Beyond this Greg, while it's your opinion, it's real salt in my wounds right now personally. My inheritance which I've been waiting for since 2013 was finally scheduled to be released soon-maybe within the month.
ReplyDeleteNow thanks to this alleged freedom from technocrats, I'm now 12 percent poorer and counting.
I'm sure there were many in 1933 who thought that Germany is now free as well.
I get that you look at everything in terms of whether it screws 'elites.'
But maybe the elites aren't wrong about everything
If this is what populism means, then populism is something malign.
Greg, the think I don't get is this. The euro system is a disaster. I agree with you on that. I'd agree this were a very good thing, if the UK had been on it and voted to gt off.
ReplyDeleteBut they had the best of both worlds. They had trade, access to European markets, and all the benefits of membership without the euro straitjacket.
This was a silly idea with no upside. There are all kinds of ill effects-I named a number above though far from exhaustive.
There is no upside to it at all other than this abstract idea that somehow some evil 'elites' have had their eyes spat in.
Sure, all it takes is screwing up the economy and screwing over all the Brits working in Europe and the European citizens working in the UK
Your comment led to this post, Greg.
ReplyDeleteThe favorite for UK's next leader: Boris Johnson, the British Donald Trump
http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2016/06/english-men-will-never-be-slaves.html
So you agree that the Euro system is a disaster but you dont want anything to be done to break it up? It cant be fixed by the current leadership, they have exactly what they wish and zero incentive to adapt. They are operating on the TINA narrative. Well guess what... there IS an alternative.
ReplyDeleteIm not simply against elites, well I guess I am against "elite" as that word is used, but Im not against there being some people who have earned greater wealth, respect, power etc. Operative term being "earned". In too many of these systems the power has simply been taken or bought. Something needs to derail this train that looks to monetize everything and is putting more and more young people into debt slavery.
Of course there will be some negative effects at first from this decision (and btw, the govt may over rule the will of the voters on this), but its not like the status quo wasn't leading to a lot of negative results too. Its too early to say there is no upside.
Im all for greater cooperation between nations but Im also in favor of nations. Not just some "union" which gets cobbled together in the name of making sure banking/corporate interests dont have to deal with different regimes who might have different ideas about how or whether to have health care for all citizens.
The end game for the EU is to have all these troubled economies like Greece, Spain etc to have to sell their nationalized assets to private owners which will make those citizens less secure financially.
The future wasn't bright under the current set up.
"So you agree that the Euro system is a disaster but you dont want anything to be done to break it up? It cant be fixed by the current leadership, they have exactly what they wish and zero incentive to adapt. They are operating on the TINA narrative. Well guess what... there IS an alternative."
ReplyDeleteI'm against the euro not the European Union.
As Britain wasn't on the euro the whole Brexit campaign makes no sense.
Yes, there are negative effects and it's amazing that I personally am bearing the brunt of it. Who ever thought coming from Britain would bite me in the ass? It never had any impact on my life until this.
As for healthcare, this move is going to do some terrible things to the British NIH. Nigel Farage-UK's Trump-lied about it, Now he admits it was a lie.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-admits-wont-extra-8271594
You mention young people and debt slavery. Again, I know something about this-I currently owe six figures for a graduate school education that has netted me zero benefit.
But please notice that the young people of Britain voted overwhelmingly against Brexit.
In addition, if this is such a great idea, why do those 18-24 so overwhelmingly oppose Brexit?
They may love Bernie in the US, but in the UK they wanted no part of Brexit. So they don't think Brexit is Freedom.
It's the older folks who voted Brexit.
https://twitter.com/wmyeoh/status/746150360318763008
You have to feel for the kids.
"I'm genuinely close to tears. I'm 20. This is my future. We shouldn't be doing this. I hope so much we can turn this around #EURefResults"
https://twitter.com/asmamk/status/746185153505013760
What's amazing is that the older you are, the more likely you voted for this. Those over 65 voted by 58-33 to Brexit.
Those 50 to 64 voted for it by 49-35. So those who live on savings and linked pensions voted overwhelmingly for a plus 10 percent haircut.
Jeremy Weate:
"Feel sorry for Brits relying on savings & linked pensions. You just became 10%+ poorer. But if you voted Brexit, its entirely your fault."
https://twitter.com/jeremyweate/status/746184471913840640
http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2016/06/english-men-will-never-be-slaves.html#comment-form
The future may not be bright but it can always get worse.
And the euro was not the UK's problem-as they were not on it. They have real problems but this in no way solves any of those.