This is smart by the Lib Dems if nothing else. They had basically destroyed their own brand with their complicity with David Cameron in the austerity wave in the Coalition government.
Here is a way for them to stand for something meaningful again.
And 3 million Brits and counting have signed a petition for a new referendum.
Now the Liberal Democrats set themselves up as the party to deliver on this desire to stay in the EU.
Some seem to take a hard line on this. Now that there's been a referendum, that's it they believe.
"That there are 2 million people who would sign something like this further undermines my faith in, well, democratic outcomes."
https://twitter.com/shadihamid/status/746855342856867841
I admire the work Hamid does on Middle Eastern studies, and understand his sensitivity to democratic legitimacy. His perspective is shaped from seeing how often democratic results are tabled in the Middle East.
Still, I can't buy that there are no do overs on a 50.1 percent referendum.
As for the Liberal Democrats, they are running on disregarding the referendum. Is that anti democratic?
If so, then presumably in the next democratic election they will not get many votes. If they do, then it will show that most Brits don't think it's so undemocratic after all to have second thoughts.
The Liberal Democrats will stand at the next general election on a platform of derailing Brexit and keeping Britain in the EuropeanUnion, the party has announced.
Leader Tim Farron said on Saturday night that he would be “clear and unequivocal” with voters that if elected it would set aside the referendum result and keep Britain in the EU.
He said the referendum result amounted to a “howl of anger” at politicians and that the election of a liberal government would be a way of registering a change of heart by the electorate
Though the next general election is scheduled for 2020 under the Fixed Term Parliament Act (FTPA), David Cameron’s resignation and major loopholes in the legislation mean it could come as early as the autumn or early next year.
A successor to Mr Cameron is planned to be in place by Conservative Party conference in October and it is expected that whoever is chosen will immediately come under pressure to call an early election.
This is possible under the FTPA if a simple majority of MPs vote no confidence in their own government and an alternative government cannot be formed within 14 days. Alternatively, a two-thirds majority of MPs can call an election with a vote.
“For many millions of people, this was not just a vote about Europe. It was a howl of anger at politicians and institutions who they felt they were out of touch and had let them down,” Mr Farron said.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-result-lib-dems-remain-liberal-democrats-live-policy-stay-leave-a7103186.html
When you consider the sort of lies the Brexiters told to win, this seems pretty fair to me.
Cameron had won in 2014 based on a promise to call the referendum. Now the Lib Dems will run on a promise to overturn it.
More talk of a Lib Dem-Labour coalition to defeat Brexit.
A Labour-Lib Dem coalition with a number 1 pledge to stay in the EU, anyone? Corbyn will have to go either way."
https://twitter.com/jeremyweate/status/746811108812427264
Jeremy Corby seems to be in some trouble.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36632956?
It's felt that he wasn't a strong enough advocate for Remain.
Here is a way for them to stand for something meaningful again.
And 3 million Brits and counting have signed a petition for a new referendum.
Now the Liberal Democrats set themselves up as the party to deliver on this desire to stay in the EU.
Some seem to take a hard line on this. Now that there's been a referendum, that's it they believe.
"That there are 2 million people who would sign something like this further undermines my faith in, well, democratic outcomes."
https://twitter.com/shadihamid/status/746855342856867841
I admire the work Hamid does on Middle Eastern studies, and understand his sensitivity to democratic legitimacy. His perspective is shaped from seeing how often democratic results are tabled in the Middle East.
Still, I can't buy that there are no do overs on a 50.1 percent referendum.
As for the Liberal Democrats, they are running on disregarding the referendum. Is that anti democratic?
If so, then presumably in the next democratic election they will not get many votes. If they do, then it will show that most Brits don't think it's so undemocratic after all to have second thoughts.
The Liberal Democrats will stand at the next general election on a platform of derailing Brexit and keeping Britain in the EuropeanUnion, the party has announced.
Leader Tim Farron said on Saturday night that he would be “clear and unequivocal” with voters that if elected it would set aside the referendum result and keep Britain in the EU.
He said the referendum result amounted to a “howl of anger” at politicians and that the election of a liberal government would be a way of registering a change of heart by the electorate
Though the next general election is scheduled for 2020 under the Fixed Term Parliament Act (FTPA), David Cameron’s resignation and major loopholes in the legislation mean it could come as early as the autumn or early next year.
A successor to Mr Cameron is planned to be in place by Conservative Party conference in October and it is expected that whoever is chosen will immediately come under pressure to call an early election.
This is possible under the FTPA if a simple majority of MPs vote no confidence in their own government and an alternative government cannot be formed within 14 days. Alternatively, a two-thirds majority of MPs can call an election with a vote.
“For many millions of people, this was not just a vote about Europe. It was a howl of anger at politicians and institutions who they felt they were out of touch and had let them down,” Mr Farron said.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-result-lib-dems-remain-liberal-democrats-live-policy-stay-leave-a7103186.html
When you consider the sort of lies the Brexiters told to win, this seems pretty fair to me.
Cameron had won in 2014 based on a promise to call the referendum. Now the Lib Dems will run on a promise to overturn it.
More talk of a Lib Dem-Labour coalition to defeat Brexit.
A Labour-Lib Dem coalition with a number 1 pledge to stay in the EU, anyone? Corbyn will have to go either way."
https://twitter.com/jeremyweate/status/746811108812427264
Jeremy Corby seems to be in some trouble.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36632956?
It's felt that he wasn't a strong enough advocate for Remain.
Interesting!
ReplyDeleteMike, do you know how to get a wordpress avatar? I'm thinking of making this my avatar for the rest of the election so I maximally annoy Art Deco, AIG, Massimo and E. Harding:
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=)
(but mostly Art Deco)
Mike, can you help me out here at all? Here's one of Art Deco's responses to me (the part in bold is his, and the 1st part is his quote of my comment to AIG):
ReplyDelete"Where’s the evidence that the Dem side wants “a lot more unrestricted third world immigration?”
I dunno, maybe Chuck Schumer’s amnesty legislation or BO’s political signaling to generate Central American flash mobs."
WTF is he talking about there, especially the bit about "political signaling" and "flash mobs?" I know flash mobs as a amusing prank, but I'm not sure what Art is saying. I Googled both phrases (each in quotes) and came up with exactly two hits. The 1st was from someone obviously experiencing Obama Derangement Syndrome (ODS):
http://www.personal.psu.edu/glm7/m1082.htm
I'm asking you because you're obviously more politically sophisticated than I am. It sounds suspiciously like pseudo-intellectual right-wing wack-a-doodle phraseology to me... something you might encounter by reading a very particular type of neo-reactionary or alt-right type of literature. But I honestly don't know. Do you have any idea what it even means? BTW, I found this somewhat interesting NYT article on "political signaling" and how it relates to Trump (when I restricted my Googling to just the 1st of those phrases):
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/09/upshot/signal-in-trumps-noise-the-idea-that-he-can-be-believed.html
I almost responded to Art, but decided not to. I just don't know what to say to him. "Please explain what that means" is what I'd ask a normal person, but I'd just be teeing up a softball for Mr. Grinch with that. I wonder if Scott knows what it means.
Here's the comment in question:
http://www.themoneyillusion.com/?p=31814#comment-876412
The meaning is probably something he saw on Fox News off the top of my head. Or Alex Jones. Another GOP conspiracy theory
ReplyDeleteBut for a laugh let me check out Art Deco. A guy who's alway fun to wound up
Mike,
ReplyDeleteFear not, there will be no Brexit.
This apparently was a comment left at a guardian article on the subject;
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl1BZC-WYAAY9Vv.jpg
Greg, that article almost precisely matches Phil Mason's (an expat Brit scientist) video on the subject:
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WY-tWsNKDY
Mason estimates it costs each Brit about 100 pounds **A YEAR** in fees to the EU (that they pay in taxes). A simple calculation shows that the damage done so far (just based on the drop in the pound, which admittedly may not last) will cost them about 30 years worth of such fees. Swept away overnight.
Mason has (somewhat cynically... he was in the remain camp, warts and all... saying it amounts to one imperfect set of trade rules vs another for the UK (an incremental change), except with a VERY steep price tag) put up a petition to do what the EU President has demanded (irony upon irony): to force the British government to enact Article 50 straight away to respect the will of the British people!
"Respect the will of the people" coming from the EU president, while Boris slinks off stage looking like his dog died, telling the public "let's not be hasty about this."
The only thing that could make it sweeter is if that same EU president had a chance to tell Nigel Farage to "Respect the will of the British people, and enact Article 50 Now!!!" on this... (have you seen Nigel the insult comic tear into the EU president?). Video of Nigel's insult comic routine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bypLwI5AQvY
"The quiet assassin of European democracy" he called him. Hahaha... whether there's any truth to that or not, the EU prez now has the ultimate comeback "Respect the will of the British people!! Get *OUT* now!"
I know you were in favor, so you probably don't relish this as much as I do, but it seems to me that Nigel and Boris are not deserving of any sympathy on this. I hope you can appreciate the sweet sweet irony of their "let's not be hasty" comments as much as I can. =)
Whatever you think about Brexit-you know I don't think much-Nigel and Boris are both clowns.
DeleteWhat's amazing is that no one in Brexit has given a second's thought to how to actually execute it.
Boris Johnson's sister of all people says no one has any idea what to do.
http://lastmenandovermen.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-british-donald-trump.html
I'm renaming Boris as Boris "Bam! Bam!" Brexit-Johnson (due to his resemblance to "Bam! Bam!" from the Flintstones... (pointed out by John Oliver)).
DeleteNigel can be "Nigel 'punchable-face' Farage"
DeleteSumner points to this article on Brexit as a good one:
Deletehttp://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/8f2aca88-3c51-11e6-9f2c-36b487ebd80a.html?siteedition=uk
Yes, I saw that and I followed the link and read it. That guy is convinced they don't do the Brexit. Basically the EU gives the UK a bone-about limits on certain kinds of immigrants or such and they let it go.
ReplyDeletePresumably Sumner finds that highly plausible. For my part I have no idea if it is or not
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