Even Ken Starr has moved on from the 90s and has only good things to say about Bill Clinton now.
"An unlikely voice recently bemoaned the decline of civility in presidential politics, warned that “deep anger” was fueling an “almost radical populism” and sang the praises of former President Bill Clinton — particularly his “redemptive” years of philanthropic work since leaving the White House."
"The voice was that of Kenneth W. Starr, the former Whitewater independent counsel, whose Javert-like pursuit of Mr. Clinton in the 1990s helped bring a new intensity to partisan warfare and led to the impeachment of a president for only the second time in the nation’s history."
"The presumptive Republican presidential nominee, Donald J. Trump, increasingly seems to be trying to relitigate the scandals that Mr. Starr investigated, dredging up allegations of sexual transgressions by Mr. Clinton to accuse Hillary Clinton — the likely Democratic nominee — of having aided and enabled her husband at the expense of Mr. Clinton’s female accusers."
"But Mr. Starr expressed regret last week that so much of Mr. Clinton’s legacy remained viewed through the lens of what Mr. Starr demurely termed “the unpleasantness.”
"His remarks seemed almost to absolve Mr. Clinton, if not to exonerate him."
“There are certain tragic dimensions which we all lament,” Mr. Starr said in a panel discussion on the presidency at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia.
“That having been said, the idea of this redemptive process afterwards, we have certainly seen that powerfully” in Mr. Clinton’s postpresidency, he continued, adding, “President Carter set a very high standard, which President Clinton clearly continues to follow.”
He called Mr. Clinton “the most gifted politician of the baby boomer generation.”
“His genuine empathy for human beings is absolutely clear,” Mr. Starr said. “It is powerful, it is palpable, and the folks of Arkansas really understood that about him — that he genuinely cared. The ‘I feel your pain’ is absolutely genuine.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/05/25/gop-strategist-trumps-attacks-on-clinton-over-whitewater-are-lunacy/
Maybe Starr is lightening up as he has his own problems-like a sex scandal that is costing him his job at Baylor University.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/25/is-kenneth-starr-historic-sleazeball-at-least-getting-his-just-deserts.html
Trump's strategy against Hillary: go after Bill, go after 90s scandals is in a sense 'unconventional' in the sense that no one has used this strategy in over 15 years.
But the reason for this is not because other campaigns lack Trump's boldness but because these attacks didn't work then. Rick Wilson, a GOP strategist tells the tale:
"GOP strategist Rick Wilson was a senior adviser to former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani’s campaign for the New York Senate seat in 2000 that Hillary Clinton ended up winning. Before Giuliani dropped out of the race (to be replaced by Rick Lazio), Wilson and his fellow strategists extensively tested attacks on the Clintons over Whitewater and Bill’s sexual exploits."
“We tested Whitewater and it was a nothingburger,” the Florida-based Wilson tells me. “We did polling and focus groups, testing the whole pantheon of Clinton scandals.”
"While this was done in New York, Wilson, a frequent critic of Trump, recounts that the findings are still relevant to the current national contest, because the Rudy campaign tested reactions among “soft Democrats, soft Republicans, and independents,” i.e., swing voters. These voters, Wilson says, “didn’t care,” dismissing it all as “old news” that was “asked and answered.”
"In recent days, Trump has attacked Clinton over her husband’s sexual affairs, casting her as an enabler of them and, by extension, blasting both for conspiring to abuse the women in question. But Wilson says the response to the testing of attacks over Bill’s affairs was even worse than on Whitewater."
"We tested Bill Clinton’s sex stuff, and the reaction was violently in opposition to us,” Wilson says.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/05/25/gop-strategist-trumps-attacks-on-clinton-over-whitewater-are-lunacy/
This is the trouble with the idea that maybe people will vote for Trump because he represents 'change.' Yes, but change is not necessarily good. It's naive to think things can never get worse. In 1933 Hitler was change as well.
As for Hitler 2.0, his strategy may be 'unconventional' but this is for good reason.
"An unlikely voice recently bemoaned the decline of civility in presidential politics, warned that “deep anger” was fueling an “almost radical populism” and sang the praises of former President Bill Clinton — particularly his “redemptive” years of philanthropic work since leaving the White House."
"The voice was that of Kenneth W. Starr, the former Whitewater independent counsel, whose Javert-like pursuit of Mr. Clinton in the 1990s helped bring a new intensity to partisan warfare and led to the impeachment of a president for only the second time in the nation’s history."
"The presumptive Republican presidential nominee, Donald J. Trump, increasingly seems to be trying to relitigate the scandals that Mr. Starr investigated, dredging up allegations of sexual transgressions by Mr. Clinton to accuse Hillary Clinton — the likely Democratic nominee — of having aided and enabled her husband at the expense of Mr. Clinton’s female accusers."
"But Mr. Starr expressed regret last week that so much of Mr. Clinton’s legacy remained viewed through the lens of what Mr. Starr demurely termed “the unpleasantness.”
"His remarks seemed almost to absolve Mr. Clinton, if not to exonerate him."
“There are certain tragic dimensions which we all lament,” Mr. Starr said in a panel discussion on the presidency at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia.
“That having been said, the idea of this redemptive process afterwards, we have certainly seen that powerfully” in Mr. Clinton’s postpresidency, he continued, adding, “President Carter set a very high standard, which President Clinton clearly continues to follow.”
He called Mr. Clinton “the most gifted politician of the baby boomer generation.”
“His genuine empathy for human beings is absolutely clear,” Mr. Starr said. “It is powerful, it is palpable, and the folks of Arkansas really understood that about him — that he genuinely cared. The ‘I feel your pain’ is absolutely genuine.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/05/25/gop-strategist-trumps-attacks-on-clinton-over-whitewater-are-lunacy/
Maybe Starr is lightening up as he has his own problems-like a sex scandal that is costing him his job at Baylor University.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/25/is-kenneth-starr-historic-sleazeball-at-least-getting-his-just-deserts.html
Trump's strategy against Hillary: go after Bill, go after 90s scandals is in a sense 'unconventional' in the sense that no one has used this strategy in over 15 years.
But the reason for this is not because other campaigns lack Trump's boldness but because these attacks didn't work then. Rick Wilson, a GOP strategist tells the tale:
"GOP strategist Rick Wilson was a senior adviser to former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani’s campaign for the New York Senate seat in 2000 that Hillary Clinton ended up winning. Before Giuliani dropped out of the race (to be replaced by Rick Lazio), Wilson and his fellow strategists extensively tested attacks on the Clintons over Whitewater and Bill’s sexual exploits."
“We tested Whitewater and it was a nothingburger,” the Florida-based Wilson tells me. “We did polling and focus groups, testing the whole pantheon of Clinton scandals.”
"While this was done in New York, Wilson, a frequent critic of Trump, recounts that the findings are still relevant to the current national contest, because the Rudy campaign tested reactions among “soft Democrats, soft Republicans, and independents,” i.e., swing voters. These voters, Wilson says, “didn’t care,” dismissing it all as “old news” that was “asked and answered.”
"In recent days, Trump has attacked Clinton over her husband’s sexual affairs, casting her as an enabler of them and, by extension, blasting both for conspiring to abuse the women in question. But Wilson says the response to the testing of attacks over Bill’s affairs was even worse than on Whitewater."
"We tested Bill Clinton’s sex stuff, and the reaction was violently in opposition to us,” Wilson says.
“And this was 2000, during the window when Bill Clinton was a national disgrace. The blowback from trying to use Bill against Hillary was through the roof. Women thought she deserved that Senate seat because of what Bill had done.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/05/25/gop-strategist-trumps-attacks-on-clinton-over-whitewater-are-lunacy/
This is the trouble with the idea that maybe people will vote for Trump because he represents 'change.' Yes, but change is not necessarily good. It's naive to think things can never get worse. In 1933 Hitler was change as well.
As for Hitler 2.0, his strategy may be 'unconventional' but this is for good reason.
Mike, check out Sumner today: two new anti-Trump, anti-GOP posts. You and he have more in common than ever these days. He gave an H/T to an unknown... It may have been you.
ReplyDeleteOn politics yes. On econ-we still certainly have some differences but I'm smart enough not to get into them right now. LOL
ReplyDeleteJust sit back and enjoy him going off on the Trump supporters. Major Freedom, E. Harding, some of the other knuckle draggers like Massimo Heitor are livid.
Today after a bunch of them went off on his latest piece that showed that Bush Sr. and Reagan were pro immigrant they furiously fired off unhappy comments.
Sumner's response:
"These comments are so ridiculous I won’t bother responding."
http://www.themoneyillusion.com/?p=31722#comments
Massimo Heiter responds:
"This sums up Sumner’s response to everything. We are outside of Sumner’s Overton window of even possibly legitimate viewpoints."
E. Harding follows Massimo Heitor:
"Massimo, seconded."
A lot of fun. These days some of the best anti Trump posts are Sumner and Jennifer Rubin
DeleteSumner: yes, I call it kicking the hornet's nest. "Overton window" sounds familiar, but I'll have to look that one up too.
DeleteOverton Window is just the range of acceptable options and discussion on Left and Right.
DeleteTrump has moved the OW by talking so openly about things like using nuclear weapons and banning Muslims.
I just trolled Major Freedom. He was ranting about how just because he doesn't agree with we 'radical Trump haters' doesn't mean he supports Trump.
ReplyDeleteSo I told him I'm surprised that he as a popular follower of Herman Hoppe votes at all. After all isn't democracy itself the problem?
Well done. I think. I have to look up Herman Hoppe. =(
DeleteHoppe is a radical Austrian libertarian that things democracy is 'the God That Failed.'
ReplyDeletehttp://www.amazon.com/Democracy-God-That-Failed-Perspectives/dp/0765808684
Failed to protect property rights that is. Turns out monarchy did a better job of protecting property rights
I did look both those up, but thanks for the confirmation.
DeleteArt Deco (one of Sumner's commentators) has mentioned "throne and altar" conservatism in a good way. I take it that might be a phrase used by the "neo-reactionaries." The "throne" part of that does sound a bit anti-democratic. Both the throne and the altar sound pro-authoritarian.
It's a little fun to see that even among the (cess?) pool of Trump supporters on Sumner's site, there's much disagreement. Deco has little patience with the antisemitism of Harding for example. And both get annoyed with the positions of other pro-Trump commentators.
... the pro-Israel Trumpsters like Deco, bristle at the anti-Israel Jews-are-in-on-an-anti-white conspiracy (and anti-Christian) position of the white nationalists, and the white nationalists bristle at the rantings of the out and out white supremacists. The must think those uncouth people one rung down the ladder from themselves in the cess pool are in danger of making them look bad.
DeleteMike a headline I just saw left me with a terrifying thought: Right wingers will want to spread conspiracy theories about a Zika virus vaccine so as to ensure as many people as possible have tiny brains to ensure their livelihoods (as right wingers) for generations to come!
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