Wow. This is a tremor that is panicking everyone in the for profit college space and it should.
I almost attended UP once back in 2007-virtually attended I should say.
There are some real benefits of an online college that offers itself for working adults-or whoever needs an education. Traditional brick and mortar schools that are very selective in who they take obviously need a lot of prospective students in the cold.
But there are some real problems with this model as well. To start with-do employers credit an online education the same way they credit a brick and mortar school? If not then what exactly are online students paying for?
By no means did I avoid this though-I ended up going to Regis University.
"On paper, this open access approach seemed great for students who suddenly had more educational opportunities. The problem was the cost-to-value equation was off. Students who before could try a low-cost community college with little longterm risk if they did not finish were now asked to borrow thousands of dollars to try something. The result was like flooding the system with lottery tickets where the non-winners must keep paying for a decade."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/university-of-phoenix-future-of-for-profit-colleges
In any case, this will be food for thought for all for-profit colleges as UOP is the gold standard in for-profits.
"Still, even Phoenix’s diminished size is more than 200,000 students. And much like tobacco companies, it is actively pursuing opportunities in foreign markets. The company is not in great shape, but it is probably not in a tailspin yet."
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http://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/obama-administration-takes-action-protect-americans-predatory-poor-performing-career-colleges
I almost attended UP once back in 2007-virtually attended I should say.
There are some real benefits of an online college that offers itself for working adults-or whoever needs an education. Traditional brick and mortar schools that are very selective in who they take obviously need a lot of prospective students in the cold.
But there are some real problems with this model as well. To start with-do employers credit an online education the same way they credit a brick and mortar school? If not then what exactly are online students paying for?
By no means did I avoid this though-I ended up going to Regis University.
"On paper, this open access approach seemed great for students who suddenly had more educational opportunities. The problem was the cost-to-value equation was off. Students who before could try a low-cost community college with little longterm risk if they did not finish were now asked to borrow thousands of dollars to try something. The result was like flooding the system with lottery tickets where the non-winners must keep paying for a decade."
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/university-of-phoenix-future-of-for-profit-colleges
In any case, this will be food for thought for all for-profit colleges as UOP is the gold standard in for-profits.
"Still, even Phoenix’s diminished size is more than 200,000 students. And much like tobacco companies, it is actively pursuing opportunities in foreign markets. The company is not in great shape, but it is probably not in a tailspin yet."
"It’s the bottom of the publicly traded college market that should be most worried about Phoenix’s repudiation of the “take everyone” model. Corporations like ITT or the Education Management Corporation are already fighting to stay in business and do not have the cash to sustain the large student losses that would come with a willingness to say no to unprepared applicants. And moving upmarket would mean completely changing their business, not just ending some bad experiments."
"John Sperling, the University of Phoenix’s founder, died last August at the age of the 93. During his time as the head of Phoenix he showed that the right combination of factors could drive a university to a size and scale far beyond what anyone had previously imagined. But if Phoenix and the rest of the for-profit sector want to rise again, they need to recognize the truth: It was Sterling’s original vision, not the gargantuan Wall-Street-backed monster it became, that was the right model."
From here on out, for-profit colleges are gong to have to prove they are selling something of value not just tell us they are. The proof is in the pudding-do students get the jobs they were aiming for in paying for their education? If not then the school didn't hold up it's end of the bargain.
http://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/obama-administration-takes-action-protect-americans-predatory-poor-performing-career-colleges
Good to see a fellow Regis alum!
ReplyDeleteYes, terrific. Nice to meet you! But I haven't gotten a job in finance. By now if I tried to become a comptroller somewhere they'd just say I'm too old. I'm 44 but in their terms it might as well be 84.
ReplyDeleteSo I did get something out of it but is it worth going into 6 digit debt? I know my answer.
Hopefully you got a job out of it. Anyway thanks for commenting and please do it again some time.
ReplyDeleteIt certainly helped me in my employment prospects. Luckily, I graduated in '05 so I was able to get a few years experience under my belt with a great job before the recession. I don't think I could've gotten that job today though as it seems employers want either decades of specific experience or, more often, a 22-24 year old fresh out of a "top-tier school". Currently trying to finish up the CFA to try and get back where I was. (Turning 40 this year, so it's probably too late - but I have to try!) But for me, it was as much about the accomplishment of an advanced degree as it was the employment prospects.
ReplyDeleteHopefully something good comes around for you - a company would be lucky to have someone with such an astute mind as yours!
"Hopefully something good comes around for you - a company would be lucky to have someone with such an astute mind as yours!"
ReplyDeleteFrom your lips to God's ears! I'm actually doing ok financially now but for reasons that have nothing to do with my degree as I haven't gotten a job in finance.
My real goal now is to become a liberal billionaire! LOL
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