"It’s crucial to understand three things about this situation. First, raising the debt ceiling wouldn’t grant the president any new powers; every dollar he spent would still have to be approved by Congress. Second, if the debt ceiling isn’t raised, the president will be forced to break the law, one way or another; either he borrows funds in defiance of Congress, or he fails to spend money Congress has told him to spend."
"Finally, just consider the vileness of that G.O.P. threat. If we were to hit the debt ceiling, the U.S. government would end up defaulting on many of its obligations. This would have disastrous effects on financial markets, the economy, and our standing in the world. Yet Republicans are threatening to trigger this disaster unless they get spending cuts that they weren’t able to enact through normal, Constitutional means."
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/11/opinion/krugman-coins-against-crazies.html?_r=1&
I agree with all of this, of course, what's to disagree with? Mike Sanowlski has an interesting post up about the platinum coin as well, and he argues Obama will be forced to mint the coin. The reader Greg made brought this post to my attention.
"Felix Salmon has an excellent post up today about how Obama won’t issue the coin (h/t reader Kris Smith):
”There’s a reason why the proponents of the platinum-coin approach are generally economists, or at least economically-minded. The idea makes gloriously elegant economic sense, and attempts to shoot it down on economic grounds generally fail miserably. You can try a legal tack instead, but that doesn’t work much better: the coin is as logically robust as it is Constitutionally stupid."But this thinking runs counter to what the Secretary of the Treasury will be forced to do. Obama doesn’t have any legal standing to avoid using the coin, especially now that he knows about the coin. Here is beowulf on how the Treasury must act:
No one in the executive branch has any real desire to mint a trillion-dollar coin — you can be sure of that. But the coin-minting advocates are OK with that: they just want to use the threat of the coin to persuade Congress that it should just go ahead and allow Treasury to pay for all the spending that Congress has, after all, already mandated. As a result, while no one intends to actually mint a coin, any statement to that effect would constitute unilateral disarmament in the war between the executive and the legislature.”
“…the Secretary has no legal discretion in this matter whatsoever. His path is laid out by Congress like he’s the mechanical rabbit at a dog race."Wow! That’s interesting. The legal path gets even tighter because of John Roberts, and his ruling on Obamacare. In this Justice Roberts lays out if a law has more than one possible meaning, the Court must choose the meaning which follows the Constitution:
When Congress orders the Secretary to spend appropriations in excess of the receipts they’ve ordered him to collect, the unavoidable budget deficit must be filled by the combination of the Secretary’s powers to borrow (debt limit-constrained) money and to mint (debt-free) money. If Congress refuses to increase receipts or cut appropriations or extend the debt limit, the Secretary has only one and only one path to comply with all of his legal duties. Maybe I’m naive, but I’m confident the path to salvation will never be ruled unconstitutional by any United States Court. [Bold Mine]
- Congress tells the Secretary (as supervisor of the IRS) how much to collect in tax receipts and (with somewhat less effort) in miscellaneous receipts.
- Congress tells the Secretary as signatory of every single appropriation warrant how much money to transfer to federal agency sub-accounts (called “appropriation symbols” for some obscure reason).
- Congress tells the Secretary he MAY borrow on the credit of the United State to fund expenditures but not for one penny more than the debt ceiling.
- Congress tells the Secretary he SHALL mint coins such coins as he decides are necessary to meet the needs of the United States.
Chief Justice Roberts wrote that if there two possible meanings of a law— one path constitutional and the other unconstitutional, the court must pick the meaning that prevents a breach of the Constitution. I’d extend the point to when there’s two possible meanings of a combination of laws (after all, Obamacare itself is actually a combination of two separate Acts of Congress), the Court must choose the path of salvation. To coin a term, we can call this the razor’s edge doctrine."Taking these two into account, the path for the Secretary of Treasury is crystal clear – he must mint the coin to fulfill his legal duties under the law. The court must rule these actions constitutional.
“The text of a statute can sometimes have more than one possible meaning. To take a familiar example, a law that reads “no vehicles in the park” might, or might not, ban bicycles in the park. And it is well established that if a statute has two possible meanings, one of which violates the Constitution, courts should adopt the meaning that does not do so. Justice Story said that 180 years ago: “No court ought, unless the terms of an act rendered it unavoidable, to give a construction to it which should involve a violation, however unintentional, of the constitution.” Parsons v. Bedford, 3 Pet. 433, 448-449, 7 L.Ed. 732 (1830). Justice Holmes made the same point a century later: “[T]he rule is settled that as between two possible interpretations of a statute, by one of which it would be unconstitutional and by the other valid, our plain duty is to adopt that which will save the Act.” Blodgett v. Holden, 275 U.S. 142, 148, 48 S.Ct. 105, 72 L.Ed. 206 (1927) (concurring opinion).”
So while Felix might not want the coin to be minted, and heck – I have some reservations about the coin myself – it appears we are compelled to issue the coin."
http://monetaryrealism.com/obama-will-be-forced-to-issue-the-coin/
Listen, again, I have nothing against minting the coin and think it makes total logical sense economics wise-of course, it makes sense due to a totally illogical idea: the debt ceiling. However, I just don't think it's necessary. I have nothing against undignified solutions-to the contrary, I prefer undignified solutions. I just don't think it's necessary.
I refer to Occam's Razor: always select the shortest distance between two points and the Kristol Premise: elections have consequences and so the GOP will have to cave in to Obama a lot more than they think.
That's the main point. I feel that all this talk about a platinum coin actually is not so much undignified as giving too much dignity to the idle GOP threats to a debt ceiling they have to raise and know very well they have to raise. Let's not dignify their threats with any answer.
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Newt Gingrich voiced some real frustration on the night the GOP finally voted to raise taxes on the rich in the House. He had tried to fan the flames of a movement to add amendments an send it back to the Senate as that would finally make the President acknowledge that the House GOP exists. Let's not acknowledge they exist and forget the platinum coin.
P.S. While I find all the talk about the platinum coin a waste of time-rather interesting though-I do like the fact that some GOP House members are drafting a bill to make minting the coin illegal. At least the GOP is taking this rather unserious idea seriously. In that, it may be a good thing.
I think the TALK about the platinum coin is absolutely outstanding......... and necessary. Do I think we will have to use it? Probably not, but it is high time for people to be weaned form faulty gold standard reasoning that just doesnt apply any more. Unfortunately though, we wont get Obama calling for a complete elimination of a debt ceiling, which is also ridiculous. No debt ceiling is necessary just have Congress agree to spending and pay your bills...... whatever it costs. Congress controls the purse. A debt ceiling isnt necessary, it just provides a way for congress to shirk their responsibilities and have useless political battles after they have crafted budget bills.
ReplyDeleteI agree it should be eliminated. In fairness to Obama, he and Geithner called for an end to it in December. We may not get it yet but in the long term maybe we're on the road to it as everyone can now see what a farce it is.
ReplyDeleteI don't think the debt ceiling is going to end up being leverage for the GOP at all.
I have no problem with platinum coin mania to rattle the GOP cage just a little more. I do hope though that most Dems get that it isn't necessary.
ReplyDeleteThe President is right not to get into it or the constitutional option
I remember seeing Geithner calling for an end but I dont remember Obama but he has been strident in saying we will pay all bills we have already agreed to.. All of Washington is infected with this neoliberal "govt as a household" dogma, the president just seems to want a higher allowance for his kids and is comfortable with higher credit card bills then his GOP counterparts.
ReplyDeleteI still fear that Obama has already planned some SS/Medicare concessions that will break the debt ceiling impasse at the 23rd hour. In general he seems to be like other debt phobes that our SS cant continue "as is"....... which is a crock of crap frankly.
I agree the president should say nothing now about any default averting options but if the GOP is dumb enough to push it that far ................ anything goes!
I know a lot of progs still don't trust him. I guess I feel differently. I think he knnows what he's doing.
ReplyDeleteConceptually let's hope that people are beginning to learn a little more about budgets and economics-I don't think it will happen over night but I think maybe it's starting. I see even on a rather facilely centrist station like CNN the anchors have been pointing out the absurdity of us supposedly about to become Greece.
When you look at it, we're in much better shape than the EU and Obama has been a big part of it-we never had the austerity they had in say Britian under Cameron.
Overall, I'm cautiously optimistic.