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Friday, July 27, 2012

U.S. 2nd Quarter GDP at 1.5%, Better Than Expected

     While this number is obviously not earth shatteringly good, it did beat expectations which had estimated GDP of 1.3% in the second quarter:

      "U.S. economic growth slowed less than expected in the second quarter as consumers spent at their slowest pace in a year, potentially pushing the Federal Reserve closer to pumping more money into the economy."

       "Gross domestic product expanded at a 1.5 percent annual rate between April and June, the weakest pace of growth since the third quarter of 2011, the Commerce Department said on Friday. Dow Jones consensus estimates forecast growth at a 1.3 percent pace."

       "First-quarter growth was revised up to a 2.0 percent pace from the previously reported 1.9 percent. Output for the fourth quarter was raised to a 4.1 percent rate from 3.0 percent."


       Clearly it's not a good thing that consumer demand was down to its slowest pace in a year, and while the GDP was better than expected it's still not fast enough to even keep the employment rate stable-for that we need to see 2 to 2.5%

       Still the picture is better than expected, particularly after you factor in the revised up numbers for the previous two quarters.

       In the immediate aftermath the markets opened higher. The Nasdaw is up at present over 10 points after being dragged down recently form Apple's losses. Facebook, despite having met it's earnings expectations yesterday after the bell. is down over $4.

       Is that a buy at this point? Or will it be? On the fundamental level it's hard to believe Facebook is in trouble, was this not the site that facilitated the Arab Spring? On the other hand I have to admit I don't do Facebook much since I discovered Twitter.

       No one I've talked to likes the idea I mention sometimes of trying to go long Bank of America. So far nothing has happened to prove them wrong! Honestly, it's just so cheap. But, like dwb suggests things are cheap for a reason. 

       I wonder if anyone likes the idea of Facebook. Or is the business really on the way down? Mark Zuckenberg has been proven right in resiting all this for as long as he did. Do any of you guys-Nanute, Woj,, dwb, etc. have a view on Facebook? I would ask Nick Rowe but I don't know if he pays attention to the American stock market. A lot of the Macro guys stay away from ever trying to play the market-as the believe the market is efficient, they presume that no one can successfully beat the market in the long run.

      If there is a bullish play, maybe it's Caterpillar (CAT). They had bang out numbers yesterday and they're often seen as a proxy for the entire economy. I see they're pushing up against $84 right now. I could see them at $100 in the not so distant future. They've been there before. Also Ford which is very cheap-that word again. They had good earnings too. Of course arguably Ford is no longer low hanging fruit as it was in 2009 when the entire U.S. auto industry was hanging form a thread.

    Of course, there is lots of speculation about what the Fed will do. Maybe Draghii's comments are going to shame Bernanke-he can't let the European be more Chuck Norris than an American. On the other hand, maybe the fact that the numbers were better than expected will make him less liable to act?

     UPDATE: While we were talking it was just announced that Merkel and Hollande had a very "productive" conversation where the two of them vowed to do what it takes to save the euro. Talk is cheap but at least they're talking.

     Of course, what usually happens is that it sounds good until you later realize that Merkel and Hollande both thought they agreed on two very different things.

    In another late breaking flash, consumer confidence actually came in higher than expected.





      

10 comments:

  1. Mike,
    I'm a bear on FB. I spend a fair amount of time there, and I never, ever pay any attention to the ads. Once the advertisers figure out that the money being spent is not returning a profit, there goes the "neighborhood." Aside from advertising revenue, what else is there of value?
    Caterpillar just showed very strong earnings and responded by taking a very tough anti-union stance with employees. Not sure what impact this might have on productivity going forward. My guess is that if the plant is still union, and management is being a dick, workers will find a way to screw the pooch. And dwb is right there being a reason why things are cheap.

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  2. Nanute as I mentioned above I don't use Facebook much since I started Twitter. But I go on lots of sites that have ads-most do.

    I don't pay attention to them either. Someone does, though otherwise how do these sites make so much money?

    We don't actually know how much FB make in ads but most of the big sties do. How else would Google be such a big shot-it's all about the adverstising. Google is only where it is because of the ads

    As a union guy not crazy about CAT's actiosn there. Still my angle is wondering whether or not that says something-good-about U.S. manufacturing.

    You havent't yet become a real Twitter junkie clearly! LOL. The beatuy of Twitter is it teaches you about the economy of words. I'd love to see Major Freedom on Twitter.

    It looks like they released my UI money yesterday! Now I can go back to Popeye's soon! LOL. Can't wait for that.

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  3. I have not become a member of the Twitterati yet. Major Freedom would most likely become the first person banned from Twitter! Fair point on the Caterpillar observation. 1.5% growth is better than nothing, but it's not enough to get unemployment down. Popeye here we come. lol

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  4. Here's my take on FB (http://bubblesandbusts.blogspot.com/2012/05/facebook-stock-at-10.html). I side with nanute, again. Markets may choose to focus on revenues (e.g. Amazon) for a while, but ultimately these companies are great for consumers and terrible for profits, which is what matters for equity investors.

    As for CAT, there earnings are far too volatile for my taste. If global GDP improves they can earn $10/share, but if it falters that might be $0/share. Lots of debt too, which basically made them insolvent in '09.

    Lastly, on unemployment, don't be so sure that growth is not enough to bring down the rate. As more people fall of extended UI, they will also drop from the labor force.

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    1. woj,
      "as more people fall off extended UI, they will also drop from the labor force." Aren't these people already out of the labor force? I understand that if they lose benefits, theoretically the unemployment rate may go down. That doesn't mean that more people are working as a result.
      Mike,
      The deleted post was a duplicate of the previous one.

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    2. As I understand it, to receive UI someone must be actively looking for work, which makes them the unemployed portion of the labor force. When someone falls of UI, either for not-looking or an end of the extension, they fall out of the labor force. Also, if someone doesn't apply for UI, I believe they are not part of the labor force.

      The point of my comment was to show that the unemployment rate may continue to fall despite lower growth than Okun's law suggests and/or lower employment growth than population growth suggests. For growth purposes, it's true that more people aren't working, but for statistical/political purposes it looks as though employment is improving.

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  5. Nanute you said the magic words-guess which four I have in mind! LOL

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  6. I have no idea! (that's four words, too.) Just don't ask me to go to Chick fil A.

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  8. Nanute "this comment has been removed by the author" sounds so cryptic! Whatever did it say LOL

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