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Sunday, September 15, 2013

Does the Money Supply Cause Inflation?

     In this whole debate over Sumner and the price level vs. the exchange rate, Tom seems to think that Sumner's claim that the price level is 100 times in Japan what they are in the U.S. is sound. It makes no sense to me as the exchange rate does have a ratio of 1 to 100 between the dollar and the yen respectively but surely the price level is something different as Greg argues here.

    "Looking for inflation in Japan, one must simply look in Japan and compare where they are today relative to 5 or 10 years ago. You don't need to look at dollar parity."

      http://diaryofarepublicanhater.blogspot.com/2013/09/mark-sadowski-responds-sumner-on.html


     Greg sounds right to me. However, Tom seems to think Sumner has said nothing wrong here. It could be-in the above link I ended up realizing that he hadn't said anything wrong in his definition of stagflation. My goal in all this genuinely is pursuit of the truth. So I have no problem admitting that there I was wrong to think he said something silly. He was correct though I wasn't familiar with that definition of stagflation-many other people weren't, including a establishment economist like Karl Smith.

     Though it's not an unfair question to ask whether a disinterested pursuit of truth is Sumner's overriding end with his admission that he doesn't care whether the EMH is true or not just that it's useful.

      http://diaryofarepublicanhater.blogspot.com/2013/09/sumner-emh-and-mistaking-beauty-for.html

     Yet the idea that the price level is 100 times higher in Japan seems absurd. However, tonight Tom offered this argument in the comments. I get it-I think. A little anyway though it's pretty tentative:

     Inspired in part by a piece he saw in a Forbes article, Tom argues that the price level is the average price of goods and services in a nation's economy.

     "So lets say country A is full of rich sheiks. In terms of gold, their average meal costs 1 oz of gold.

     "Now say country B is an impoverished 4th world country with few resources. Their average meal costs 1/1000 of an oz of gold."

      "Now if both countries used oz of gold for money (unit of account), obviously the price levels would be very different (say in both countries, selling meals is the entire economy)."

      "But now let's say country B adopts the B$, which they define as equal in value to 1/1000 of an oz in gold. And enough B$ are issued for all the citizens of B to turn in their gold to the CB in exchange for the far more convenient B$."

      "Guess what just happened? The price level equalized. A and B now have the same price level! The average price per good or service is now "1" in both countries: oz of gold in A and B$ in B. But the exchange rate from oz to B$ is 1:1000. Exchange rate and price level are thus NOT the same thing!"

      "Now let's say we add another good to the economy of both countries: the Hersey bar. In A the Hersey bar is the lowest form of food and sells for 1/1000 of an oz of gold. In B it sells for 1B$... so a Hershey bar is the same VALUE in both countries on an international absolute scale: both are 1/1000 of an oz, but the PRICE is very different in A compared to B, since it's measure in oz in A and B$ in B."

      "Now lets say A starts running low on funds and they fire up the oil wells again, and the Bentley dealerships, and diamond shops, etc. Now A is no longer a food-only-economy country... so the AVERAGE price per GOOD jumps up to 2 oz per good or service. Now the PRICE LEVEL (measured in oz of gold, and again here, the AVERAGE price per good or service sold) in country A is twice that of B. But the exchange rate is still 1:1000."

      "That's my read! Conclusion: the price level is not the exchange rate. The price level is also not the value level in terms of an absolute standard."

So to summarize:

1. Both countries on the gold standard, prior to Bentley dealerships re-opening in A:

Exchange rate A:B: 1:1
(Average) Price Level: A = 1, B = 1/1000
Hershey bar price: A = 1/1000, B = 1/1000

2. After B adopts the B$ as 1/1000 of oz of gold:

Exchange rate: A:B = 1:1000
(Average) Price Level: A = 1, B = 1
Hershey bar price: A = 1/1000, B = 1

3. After A opens Bentley dealerships:

Exchange rate: A:B = 1:1000
(Average) Price Level: A = 2, B = 1
Hershey bar price: A = 1/1000, B = 1 
  
     [END OF TOM's  QUOTE}

     http://diaryofarepublicanhater.blogspot.com/2013/09/sumner-and-difference-between-price.html?showComment=1379290334666#c2152718932695246316

     So it seems that between 1 and 2, the exchange rate and the price level switches places; in 1 the exchange rate is a ratio of 1 to 1 while the price level is 1 to 1000, in 2 the ratio of exchange is 1 to 1000 but now the price level is 1 to 1. Still in the Japanese case, according to what Sumner says the exchange rate and the price level are roughly the same-as the exchange rate is usually roughly 1 dollar to 100 yen. Tom's answer:

    "That would be true of countries A and C too, if they were both full of rich sheiks, and the average price (and value!) of goods and services sold were the same."

     "That might be approximately true between the US and Japan."

     It's likely true-I would be surprised if it weren't-that there is a rough parity in the price and value of U.S. goods and services vs. those in Japan. So I guess in this sense it adds up. Still, recall the initial context of this was that Sumner claims that only the Monetarist Quantity Theory of Money (QTM) can explain why the price level is 100 times greater in Japan-which for now, we will take Scott and Tom's word on and assume for the sake of this argument. 

    "So let’s start with an economy that has “normal” (i.e. non-zero) interest rates, and non-interest-bearing base money.  How does the price level get determined in that case?  I’m told there are some theories of fiat money that suggest it must evolve from commodity money.  I don’t agree.  I think the quantity theory of money is all we need.  Suppose you dump 300,000 Europeans on an uninhabited island—call it Iceland.  The ship also drops off some crates of Monopoly money, and they’re told to use it as currency.  Assume no growth for simplicity.  Also assume no government and no banking system.  It’s likely that NGDP will end up being roughly 15 to 50 times the value of the stock of currency.  Once you pin down NGDP, then you figure out RGDP using real growth theories, and voila, you’ve got the price level.  At this point you might be thinking; “you consider ’15 to 50 times the currency stock’ to be a precise scientific solution?”  No, but it gets us in the ball park.  It tells us why prices are not 100 times higher than they are, or 1000 times higher.   BTW, prices in Japan are 100 times higher than in the US, and Korean prices are 1000 times higher.  I don’t see how other theories can even get us into the right ball park."

     http://www.themoneyillusion.com/?p=10116


     This was the post that I quoted from that initially led Greg to focus on this claim of Sumner's regarding the price level in Japan. The one thing I still would ask you for Greg is if you can find the link to the back and forth in the comments you had with Sumner as I'd still like a look at that.

     Now, even though we are for now assuming Tom is right and Scott's claim here is fine-though even Sadowski agreed with me that it's confusing; which I read as meaning there is more than one way to define the price level-interestingly enough the article that led Tom to this explanation at the same time also makes a strongly anti-Monetarist argument, where the Forbes' writer states flatly that increasing the monetary supply does not increase inflation.  Indeed, the recent Fed actions seems to verify this as we've seen the Fed balance sheet close to triple and yet we have seen no spike in inflation-quite the opposite it's just above 1%  now. I like this Forbes guy:

    "It is conventional wisdom that printing more money causes inflation. This is why we are seeing so many warnings today of how Quantitative Easing I and II and the federal government’s deficit are about to lead to skyrocketing prices. The only problem is, it’s not true. That’s not how inflation works. Hence, this is yet another of the false alarms being raised (along with the need to balance the budget) that is preventing us from doing what we need to do to recover from the worse recession since the Great Depression."

   http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2011/05/14/money-growth-does-not-cause-inflation/4/

   As Harvey explains, no one can-or wants to-deny that MV=PY as it is just a simple identity. However, what the Monetarists never admit is how many special assumptions they need to show that raising the money supply-and only raising the money supply-can raise the inflation rate.

   "It is important to note here that the above is not the least bit controversial. No economist disagrees with the basic equation MV=Py. The arguments arise when additional assumptions are made regarding the nature of the individual variables. For example, this is what is assumed in the “money growth==>inflation” view:
M: That which is money is easily defined and identified and only the central bank can affect it’s supply, which it can do with autonomy and precision.
V: The velocity of money is related to people’s habits and the structure of the financial system. It is, therefore, relatively constant.
P: The economy is so competitive that neither firms nor workers are free to change what they charge for their goods and services without there having been a change in the underlying forces driving supply and demand in their market.
y: The economy automatically tends towards full employment and thus y (the existing volume of goods and services) is as large as it can be at any given moment (although it grows over time).

     [ END OF HARVEY'S QUOTE ]
      
     In reality we see that all these special assumptions basically never all hang together at the same time. Certainly as we learned in the failed Monetarist experiment in Britain in the 80s V is far from stable. As for Y, this rests on the assumption of there being only one equilibrium-a full employment or after Friedman 'natural unemployment rate' equilibrium-or NAIRU. Without all these assumptions the Monetarist theory falls apart.  
    

27 comments:

  1. Whew!... I hope we've officially beat this one to death. What do you think? :D

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  2. I don't know. For me it's never over till there's a resolution.

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  3. The point is to understand the world. Why what topic do you want to talk about? To me Monetarism of all kinds has to be properly gotten to he bottom of as it's the Great White Hope of the conservatives-the idea is just control the money supply-or NGDP-and we don't need no gubermint.

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    1. Sure I guess that's right. I think I finally see the Monetarist point. Did I explain this already? Shoot... I don't recall now. I think I see what the MMists are after here... but I think the "transmission mechanism" is still kind of ethereal. As Nick Rowe would say, I'm probably one of the people of the "concrete steppes" too.

      I really like this Sumner article:

      http://www.themoneyillusion.com/?p=23314

      Search in there for Jared's question and Sumner's answer.

      See we're between cases 5c and 5b. I have a feeling I wrote this all out here before... shoot, well this will be the short version. Now check out this one by JP Koning:

      http://jpkoning.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-rise-and-fall-and-rise-of-hot.html

      And this one too:

      http://jpkoning.blogspot.com/2013/08/give-bernanke-lever-long-enough-and.html

      So here's the paradox. I don't think we're strictly in Scott's Case 5c: I think we really are between 5c and 5b.

      JP says if we can squeeze the marginal convenience yield of FUTURE reserves down closer to zero, this is a powerful "lever"... but this lever also forces us a little more along the continuum between 5c and 5b CLOSER to 5b!

      You see the paradox? As we start manipulating convenience yields further into the future by doing OMOs... and piling up excess reserves... the less definite it is when we'll ever see those non-zero rates... the closer we are to 5b... where nothing happens. The act of squeezing the marginal convenience yield to get traction simultaneously pushes us into a region of less traction.

      Do you see what I mean? JP's last 6 or 7 articles all ties into this concept... explaining the convenience yield, etc. It's a really interesting way to interpret what the proposals are here.

      I think it's a dicey game! I think "Sproulian purchases" (i.e. essentially Fed fiscal policy) is much more direct and to the point and powerful. The others just seem too indeterminant. Perhaps if people could really predict the future that well... then maybe they'd have their advertized strength.

      But then why have the Fed do fiscal? Why not spend or cut taxes? The Fed is better in a support role here maybe.

      What do you think?

      The big questions I want answered:

      1. Is Sumner's "flow of liquidity services" equivalent to JP's convenience yield? And do both depend on inefficiencies in payment clearing mechanism. Will technology suck all the marginal convenience yield out?... or will risk still breath life into it?

      http://jpkoning.blogspot.com/2013/09/separating-functions-of-moneythe-case.html?showComment=1379197791299#c5123756821758220790

      2. How exactly does asymmetric redemption or the threat of it factor into the power play between UOA and MOE? (See Nick Rowe's last few articles on this)

      3. To what degree does the Law of Reflux hold for base money and for bank deposits? Will people pay down debts with excess deposits or does it become an excess supply with limited "reflux channels?"

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    2. Is UOA something different than MOA? To answer these questions I'll have to read JP-while I Like him and he did me a solid by quoting me, I haven't read regularly yet.

      When you say you see the Monetarists point on what exactly do you see their point?

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    3. Examples of possible MOAs:

      1. Gold
      2. Water
      3. Electricity

      Examples of corresponding UOAs:

      1. 1 dollar = 1 oz gold
      2. 1 dollar = 1 gallon water
      3. 1 dollar = 1 kW-hr electricity

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    4. Thus you can change the UOA w/o changing the MOA:

      1. 1 dollar = 1 gram gold

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    5. Now if that isn't confusing enough, try this one on for size:

      A new term, "MOUS":

      http://catalystofgrowth.com/2013/09/16/quantity-doesnt-matter-part-3-money-as-the-mous/

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  4. I certainly agree that if you're going to have the Fed buy everything you should do fiscal and simply have the Fed 'monetize' the Treasury actions.

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  5. Of course, the MMers will claim that would be highly inflationary. This takes us back to a discussion we had recently with Interfludiity on what really caused the inflation of the 70s. He argues it was actually population growth not too much money printing.

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  6. As I read it it seems to me that the Fed claims we're in 5c. Are you talking about nominal or real rates?

    I do seem to recall Sumner himself saying that rates are going to be lower in the future than we've grow accustomed to.

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  7. So I admit at first glance Don Geddis sounds right here:

    " No, not case 5(b). Today’s economy is case 5(c). Rates being zero forever is only a hypothetical, used as a thought experiment to consider possible consequences and better understand the theory. What economist do you think is trying to make a strong prediction that rates in the real world will remain zero for hundreds, thousands, millions of years into the future?"

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  8. Here is Sumner's answer to you:

    "B, Fiscal policy can move NGDP, but the current stance is too contractionary–the government is leaving $100 bills on the sidewalk, and should run bigger deficits."

    "C. Yes, case 5b could also apply to 7, although of course I doubt it ever will occur. 30 year bonds would have zero yields."

    Is he saying that fiscal policy is too contractionary in today's real world or just in his example?

    It is hard to imagine we would have zero rates forever and I'm not sure what makes you think we will. Or are you takling about the Fed Funds Rate? I have to read Jared's question and then JP Koning's piece. Maybe then I'll see what you're getting at.

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  9. On the other hand, he sounds wrong to me here:

    "Tom, I disagree. Cash is a real good. Otherwise why would people hold cash at zero rates when market rates are 5%? The real value of a given stock of cash is X. The real value of the stock of cash is still X if you double the money supply. That’s why money is neutral."

    To me Keynes was right: money is a store of value. This is not something that I think mainstream Neolassical econ-which is where Sumner hails from-accepts.

    I don't agree that cash is a real good at all. If monetary neutrality is only true if cash is a real good then monetary neutrality is wrong-I already believe it to be wrong anyway and that's just one more reason to.

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    1. I don't think that people (MMists included) doubt that money is a store of value.. it's just that they deny that this is a "defining" characteristic of money: i.e. LOTS of things are stores of value.

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    2. I guess I disagree. I think money is a store of value the way other things aren't.

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  10. I'm not sure I understand JP Koning here:

    "Because central bank reserves are simultaneously financial assets and a tangible consumables, they are capable of generating a hot potato effect."

    He's arguing that bank reserves are real goods? I'm not sure I understand that. I do see later on down the page he compares reserves to having a fire extinguisher but I'm not sure I follow.

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    1. He's written several articles on the same theme. One's called "the Convenience Yield" another shows Bernanke and the Fed board meeting with Bernanke saying "Show of hands for increasing the convenience yield." All these were written one after the next. He sometimes calls the convenience yield the non-pecuniary yield.

      He's saying that banks hold reserves for reasons other than their pecuniary yield (which is typically 0%, but which is now 0.25%). When the Fed removes reserves, then the marginal non-pecuniary yield increases (i.e. now for every dollar added, a large increase in the non-pecuniary yield happens). When the system is flooded w/ reserves... each additional dollar added adds nothing to the non-pecuniary yield, and thus the hot potato is dead. The non-pecuniary yield is still there, but the marginal non-pecuniary yield is 0.

      I suggest reading some of those other articles... he fills in some of the gaps. It's nice because they are all on this same theme.

      To me it helps explain the monetarist thinking and how the hot potato actually works (IF it actually does!).

      Jared's question to Sumner was essentially: "What happens if higher interest rates are merely indeterminant... i.e. nobody has any idea when they will happen?" Sumner responded by saying it's a function of how far out were are in time... i.e. that puts you somewhere between 5c and 5b. Koning agrees.

      It make me more suspicious of QE as a policy. It may contribute to this indeterminancy rather than act as a lever. Perhaps it does both, but one undoes the other.... at least at some point. Certainly it kills dead the hot potato in the present. It all comes to future expectations...expectations of the hot potato: but the further out in the future you look the more indeterminant things are.

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    2. Also of interest is Sumner's Case 7. I'm glad he included that, because I often find it helpful to imagine a cashless system. I like to ask myself: "Does this all still work in a cashless system?" and "Does the author (Sumner, Rowe, etc) think this will work in a cashless system?" ... well rather than having to wonder about that latter question, Sumner himself explicitly answers it with case 7. And what if you're at 0 rates? Go see case 5. So we have another separate case 7/5b and 7/5c then.

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  11. Here is JP's explanation of reserves anyway:

    "In addition to functioning as financial assets, central bank reserves also function as consumables. A bank that holds reserves enjoys a convenience yield: they can be sure that come some unforeseen event, they'll have adequate resources on hand to cope. Reserves are consumed in the same way that fire extinguishers are used up. While it is unlikely that either will ever be mobilized to deal with emergencies, their mere presence is consumed by their owner as a flow of uncertainty-shielding services over time."

    "Unlike fire extinguishers, reserves can be created instantaneously and at no cost. If fire extinguishers were like reserves, we'd conjure up any amount of them that we desired, their price would fall to zero, and everyone would enjoy their convenience for free. The marginal value that the market places on the consumability of reserves, however, never plunges to zero because a central bank keeps their supply artificially tight."

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  12. On the other hand I guess I see more of what you were getting at in saying we may be in case 5b or between 5b and 5c with what JP says here:

    "As a central bank issues ever larger amounts of reserves, the marginal value the market places on their consumability, or their marginal convenience yield, falls towards zero. As this happens, the hot potato effect becomes almost negligible—each subsequent issue of reserves increases the supply of what has already become a free good. The consumptive quality of central bank reserves is now akin to oxygen. Just like an increase in the amount of air has no effect on air's price—we already value it on the margin at zero— increases in the quantity of reserves are irrelevant. With the hot potato effect officially dead, we've arrived at Scott Sumner's case 5b, or Stephen Williamson's not-your-grandmother's-liquidity-trap."

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  13. I can certainly understand is analogy of reserves to oxygen.

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  14. Still I see that JP does agree we're more in 5b so does this mean there is still a HPE effect? I tend to doubt that.

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    1. Actually JP corrected himself and said he meant he thinks we're closer to 5c, not 5b. So he's more optimistic about the viability of monetary policy alone.

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  15. Boy have I opened a can of worms here!

    I must admit to thinking that much of what Tom says seems to support Sumner contrary to what I thought yesterday when he first pointed it out, however (you knew there had to be a however!) I dont think that any of these examples begin to reflect the real world. Part of this is reducing an economy to one or two goods and thinking that exchange rates follow as simple of principles as used in the examples. Pricing really isnt as simple as it seems to be in the monetarist mind. You cant just take the amount of currency in an economy (or reserves) divide them by the number of goods and come up with average price that way. Thats such a third grade view of pricing it seems to me. It assumes that every unit of currency affects prices equally, that every unit of currency is average so to speak. Which I dont think is even remotely true.

    I dont as much think that the monetarist claim that inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomena is wrong as much as its uninteresting. Sure, introducing a currency and prices in that currency gives one a way to measure inflation that wasnt there before when it was pure barter BUT that is not the same as saying 1) all price changes are simply related to changes in the money supply or 2) inflation can be controlled by controlling money supply Understanding all the factors which determine a price level in an economy is hard work and involves looking at political, demand side, supply side, international and other aspects. Monetarists dont seem to want to do any of the hard work. They have reduced their understanding to a very oversimplistic view, in my opinion. Its interesting to me that no monetarist Ive read has ever suggested that maybe workers are being paid too little and that if some of the trillions at the top were instead paid out to the bottom we might see a very different (and improved) "equilibrium". Every monetarist I know of thinks that higher wages are bad and taxes on the wealthy are too high. How is it that all monetarists are supply siders? Cant one believe that the answers lie in controlling money supplies and still believe that there is an optimal distribution of money supply too? This is why I think Monetarists are just apologists for the status quo, charlatans and high priests.

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    1. Greg, I'm pretty sure that there might be some differences of opinion amongst the Monetarists regarding politics and other matters. For example, I have the impression that David Glasner might not be as rock-ribbed a libertarian purist as is Lars Christensen. He's certainly not as big a Milton Friedman fan! Mark Sadowski has stated that he doesn't agree with Sumner ignoring the importance of banks to the extent that he does. Nick Rowe also says that banks are special in that the MOE is special. Certainly no universal agreement there amongst the MMists. David Beckworth has developed a fiscal stimulus approach he called a "Helicopter Drop" which Sumner didn't agree with.

      Re: pricing: here's a bit of a problem with the way I presented "average price level." I do think I've probably captured that concept the way the MMist think of it, and my simple "meal" economy was simple enough to do this with.

      However, now imagine a food based economy that doesn't necessarily have meals: perhaps people run off of jelly beans. When you go in the candy shop and buy a bag of jelly beans (filling it up yourself from the bulk bins), how does that count? Is that "one good" or do you figure the price for each jelly bean? How you count it would affect the "average price level" of goods in my example.

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  16. To answer your question in the title;

    The money supply gives us A way to MEASURE inflation

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