For the GOP the current alleged "Obama Scandals" are about trying to harm the President, bring him down if possible, or at the least, severely damage his agenda. For the Beltway media who has been playing up the scandal absurd proportions, it's about tribal insecurities, and the need for relevance.
They like to think that they can destroy a President. Of course, the Clinton years didn't really prove that theory as his approval ratings got higher the more they squawked about Whitewater and Lewinskygate.
http://diaryofarepublicanhater.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-beltway-media-very-sadistic-people.html
That this is not about truth but some kind of psychological issues among the Washington media is underscored well by Most Serious Person in Washington, the Most Serious of Them All-Bob Woodward. The last we heard of him, he felt terribly "threatened" by an email he received- the White House sent him an apology letter.
Woodward now claims that Benghazi is on the level of Watergate-or at least it could be.
"“I have it to go back 40 years to Watergate when Nixon put out his edited transcripts of the conversations and he personally went through them and said ‘Let’s not tell this, Let’s not show this,’” Woodward said of the editing process for the talking points. “I would not dismiss Benghazi. It’s a very serious issue. As people keep saying, four people were killed.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/bob-woodward-watergate-no-maybe-91549.html#ixzz2TZGVug9F
They like to think that they can destroy a President. Of course, the Clinton years didn't really prove that theory as his approval ratings got higher the more they squawked about Whitewater and Lewinskygate.
http://diaryofarepublicanhater.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-beltway-media-very-sadistic-people.html
That this is not about truth but some kind of psychological issues among the Washington media is underscored well by Most Serious Person in Washington, the Most Serious of Them All-Bob Woodward. The last we heard of him, he felt terribly "threatened" by an email he received- the White House sent him an apology letter.
Woodward now claims that Benghazi is on the level of Watergate-or at least it could be.
"“I have it to go back 40 years to Watergate when Nixon put out his edited transcripts of the conversations and he personally went through them and said ‘Let’s not tell this, Let’s not show this,’” Woodward said of the editing process for the talking points. “I would not dismiss Benghazi. It’s a very serious issue. As people keep saying, four people were killed.”
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/bob-woodward-watergate-no-maybe-91549.html#ixzz2TZGVug9F
Except that Obama never went through the talking points and said leave that in, take that out. There was no scrubbing either, but Woodward apparently doesn't know anything about it.
Meanwhile this is Nixon's chief counsel during Watergate:
"The current slate of controversies consuming the White House has some people comparing President Barack Obama to former President Richard Nixon, but a former top Nixon aide thinks that's ridiculous.
John Dean, who served as White House counsel under the disgraced former president, said that anyone applying the Nixonian label to Obama due is "challenged in their understanding of history." There's no legitimate comparison, Dean argued, between the Internal Revenue Service's improper targeting of conservative groups, the Department of Justice's subpoena of Associated Press phone records or the investigation into the dealy attack in Benghazi, Libya and the scandals that ultimately led to Nixon's undoing."
“There are no comparisons. They’re not comparable with any of the burgeoning scandals,” Dean told the Boston Globe.
"Dean was present in the Oval Office when Nixon suggested using the IRS to target his foes.
Obama on Thursday urged people to "read the history" and decide for themselves if the Nixon comparison is approrpiate. Famed journalist Bob Woodward on Friday said that it's premature to compare the IRS scandal to Watergate, but he invoked Nixon's name when discussing Benghazi. "
It's not the facts Woodward cares about, however, but his own (ir)relevance. Liberals are going to need stiff spines in the coming weeks. However, long it takes to kill this Cyclops of scandal. James Carville thinks it will be over in a month. Let's hope so. However, until it is, it's our job as liberals to do everything we can to squeeze the life out of this burgeoning octopus.
Octopus is the right word: the minute the emails debunked the "scrubbed" narrative-and even made it clear that Susan Rice said nothing improper-you had GOPers moving the goal posts demanding that even more unclassified emails and documents are released. Where does it end? Of course, the trick is it doesn't. Not until there's a "smoking gun."
So is the logic of scandals. The parts keep multiplying. Yet facts are all we have. All you can deal in. You have to make the point that Benghazi t been debunked again and again and that the IRS scandal is not about Obama-he had nothing to do with it. And that actually some liberal groups were also scrutinized and that none of these Tea Party groups actually lost their tax exempt status.
Now we're hearing that the IRS scandal is the "tip of the iceberg."
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/top-republican-these-revelations-are-just-tip-of?ref=fpb
We hear a GOPer on Fox compare the IRS scandal to Nazi Germany.
"Conservative activist Tom Zawistowski, the former president of the Ohio Liberty Coalition, compared the Obama administration's ongoing IRS scandal to Nazi Germany during an appearance Thursday afternoon on Fox News."
"Zawistowski appeared on Neil Cavuto's show to say that he believed his group was among those targeted by the IRS. He said it took two-and-a-half years for his organization's tax-exempt status to be approved."
"After describing the delay as "onerous intrusive and politically motivated", Zawistowski, called the responses he received from the IRS as "frightening".
"This is unbelievable. This is Nazi Germany," he said.
It certainly is unbelievable. Talk about needing to read your history. So this is what we're up against. Stiff spine. Facts are all we have.
""Zawistowski appeared on Neil Cavuto's show to say that he believed his group was among those targeted by the IRS. He said it took two-and-a-half years for his organization's tax-exempt status to be approved."
ReplyDeleteBUT..... it was approved!
AND.... while awaiting approval he got to operate exactly as....... wait for it .... a 501c4 entity.
The way 501c status works apparently is you just start acting like you are one... send in your documents ... and they will only tell you if you have to STOP. So you dont ask for permission to begin it is the IRS who may eventually tell you to cease and desist. As well, I cant find any indication that when they tell you to stop they actually make you pay back taxes or penalties (Im sure there are egregious examples that can be fined) so its really all a matter of these guys saying "Mommy he looked at me funny!"
This is even less of a scandal then Benghazi. People did die at Benghazi.
I'm so fucking sick of these damn rethuglican bullies
I know Greg. It's funny, I've been thinking like the 90s where this great time-though I lived through them-foregetting all about Ken Starr. This reminds me.
DeleteOne point. If I understand, they didn't even have to apply for 501(c((4) status. BAsically they wanted to make it official but they could have stayed unoffical and not paid taxes and this would never have even come up.
That's my understanding based on what I read at Noam Schreiber-that they never had to apply and could have just "unofficially" used it forever or a long time anyway.
Either way like you said it's abusrd and there really are no victimes in this unlike Benghazi
Yeah Greg here's Noam:
Delete"But, in fact, the IRS’s great conservative crackdown is even more innocent than that. It turns out that the applications the conservative groups submitted to the IRS—the ones the agency subsequently combed over, provoking nonstop howling—were unnecessary. The IRS doesn’t require so-called 501c4 organizations to apply for tax-exempt status. If anyone wants to start a social welfare group, they can just do it, then submit the corresponding tax return (form 990) at the end of the year. To be sure, the IRS certainly allows groups to apply for tax-exempt status if they want to make their status official. But the application is completely voluntary, making it a strange basis for an alleged witch hunt."
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113217/irs-tea-party-scandal-conservative-political-correctness-action#
Having read it again maybe you do have to later register with them-within a year.
Either way, why should we have to subsidize Tea Party groups? They have absolutely no social welfare function and you and I both know that.