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Saturday, January 4, 2014

Scott Sumner vs. Warren Mosler on John Cochrane's Interview

     No surprise: Sumner likes Cochrane. Why not-Cochrane taught him econ at the University of Chicago-Scott just missed being taught by his idol, Milton Friedman. Sumner is very protective of Cochrane-especially from the likes of a Paul Krugman. Actually this is something that Sumner has in common with Stephen Williamson. 

     http://diaryofarepublicanhater.blogspot.com/2012/01/scott-sumner-becomes-even-more-shrill.html

     UPDATE: Actually, now that I think of it Sumner was taught by Bob Lucas not by Cochrane.

     On most issues, Sumner agrees with Cochrane. He likely agrees with him about Obamacare-though I think neither hated it until the Democrats picked it up. 

     http://diaryofarepublicanhater.blogspot.com/2014/01/is-john-cochrane-confident-enough-of.html

     In his recent post about Cochrane he hopes to shield Cochrane from Krugman's pointing out that he said something stupid. 

    "monetary stimulus works, if it works at all, only if it is not expected to be withdrawn in the near future."

     "That’s even true when rates are positive."


Long-term growth is like a garden. You have to weed a garden; you don’t just pile on fertilizer — stimulus — when it’s full of weeds. So let’s count up the weeds.

     "I really like John Cochrane.  For his sake I hope Krugman doesn’t see this comment. "


     Sumner also admired Cochrane's interview with one exception. 

     "Tyler Cowen pointed me to a excellent interview with John Cochrane.  As usual, I agree with Cochrane on most things.  He makes excellent points about finance, regulation, health care, etc."
But not money.  Here are a few examples:

I’ve been searching all my professional life for a theory of inflation that is both coherent and applies to the modern economy. That might sound like a surprising statement, especially from someone at Chicago, home of MV=PY. But although MV=PY is a coherent theory, it doesn’t make sense in our economy today. We no longer have to hold an inventory of some special asset — money — to make transactions. I use credit cards. We pretty much live in an electronic barter economy, exchanging interest-paying book entries, held in quantities that are trillions of dollars greater than needed to make transactions. The gold standard is a coherent theory too, but it doesn’t apply today either.

     "Several problems here.  MV=PY is not a coherent theory, because it’s not a theory at all.  It is a definition of velocity.  V is the ratio of NGDP to money.  That’s all it is, a definition.  Now let’s cut Cochrane some slack and assume he meant something more like a monetary theory of prices.  Thus I might argue that the Fed can target inflation at 2% by offsetting shifts in V and Y.  I take it that Cochrane is opposed to that view, and has an alternative fiscal theory of the price level."

     "But even in that case the argument is very weak.  Unless I’m seriously mistaken Cochrane does believe the gold market theory of the price level worked under the gold standard.  But his objection to MV=PY (that some people use currency substitutes such as credit cards) was equally true under the gold standard. During the early 1900s, gold was actually used even less frequently than cash is used today.  So if the gold market model worked during the gold standard period, despite gold substitutes, why don’t simple MV=PY (i.e. monetary) models work in an economy where currency is the medium of account?"

    "Despite the existence of credit cards, currency demand remains very strong, and indeed is rising. By adjusting the supply of base money the Fed can control its value, at least when not at the zero bound. Even at the zero bound they can do so, but it’s a bit trickier.  (I believe Cochrane supports my futures targeting approach.)

I think we’ve left the point that we can blame generic “demand” deficiencies, after all these years of stagnation. The idea that everything is fundamentally fine with the U.S. economy, except that negative 2 percent real interest rates on short-term Treasuries are choking the supply of credit, seems pretty farfetched to me. This is starting to look like “supply”: a permanent reduction in output and, more troubling, in our long-run growth rate.

    "In one sense he’s right.  Growth is slow despite a falling unemployment rate.  We are in the Great Stagnation.  But surely the fall in unemployment from 10% to 7% suggests that there was some demand deficiency when it was 10%. I think even Cochrane would agree on that point, as he suggests we’ve “left the point” where demand deficiencies could be blamed.  But have we?  Isn’t it very likely that unemployment will continue falling even as inflation stays below 2%?  That’s what most forecasters believe.  If we had futures markets for unemployment I’m pretty sure they would indicate that this is also what the market believes.  The demand shortfall is smaller than before, probably smaller than many Keynesians believe, but it’s still there."

     "Later in the interview Cochrane criticizes European policies that pay prime age able-bodied males not to work.  And yet America adopted just such policies in 2008, and only ended them over the weekend.  There are good arguments both ways on extended UI, but surely everyone would agree that the best policy is to eliminate the need for extended UI, by having unemployment return to its natural rate.  And if you think we are there now, does that mean you disagree with the consensus view that unemployment will continue falling over the next year or two, even as inflation stays low?"

So I don’t think the theory suggests QE can have a big effect. What about the evidence? Most of it comes from announcement effects. Even there, it’s pretty weak: a 15-or-so basis point change in interest rates in return for a pledge to buy trillions in Treasuries.
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If the Fed announces more QE or delayed tapering of QE and bond prices rise on that announcement, is that because QE itself is moving the markets? Or is it because bond investors think, “Wow, the Fed is scared, so it will keep interest rates low for a lot longer than we expected”? Without a solid economic reason to believe QE on its own has much of an effect, the latter interpretation seems more likely.

     "This is Paul Krugman’s view as well.  Two problems here.  First, the response of nominal interest rates tells us nothing about how expansionary QE will be, as the liquidity and income/inflation effects go in opposite directions.  More importantly, the Fed can only hold rates lower for longer by a more expansionary monetary policy down the road.  So all Cochrane is actually saying is that QE might work, but only because a part of it is expected to be permanent.  Krugman makes the same argument.  To me that would be like saying:"

     “Yes, I suppose you could argue that pushing the gas pedal to the floor of the car makes it go forward, but only because the other foot is not simultaneously depressing the brake.”

     "Yup, that’s why cars move.  And monetary stimulus works, if it works at all, only if it is not expected to be withdrawn in the near future.  That’s even true when rates are positive."

    Of course, even when he disagrees with Cochrane he's got to point out that Krugman agrees with Krugman here-so it's more like criticizing Krugman than Cochrane. However, it's true that sometimes the Freshwater types sound less Monetarist than Keynesian lately. I mean, let's not even get into 'New Monetarist' Stephen Wiliamson. 


   However, in the Freshwater idea of things like the Fiscal Theory of Prices, they sound almost Keyensian-yes that theory usually argues for fiscal austerity. However, they don't think monetary policy is the be all and end all -so they're very unMonetarist here. While it's not surprising that Sumner would say good things about the Cochrane interview-with the rather important qualifier of monetary policy-it's interesting to note that Warren Mosler has something good to say about the interview as well-and, yes, his praise is regarding monetary policy. 

    "University of Chicago going MMT?"

     "If you know him, point out that the micro foundation is the currency itself is a public monopoly, and all the implications thereof, particularly the idea that monopolists are inherently ‘price setters’ rather than ‘price takers’, and that unemployment as defined is necessarily the evidence that Federal spending isn’t sufficient to cover the need to pay taxes and desires to net save, etc. etc."

     "And direct him to my book and website, thanks!"     ";)"
     Speaking of Freshwater types saying unMonetarist things Art Laffer now has decided that the money supply doesn't drive inflation. 
   The weirdest Freshwater product is Williamson's New Monetarism which for SW at least has led him to arguing that monetary policy was little  effect right now and that what's needed is an increase in government debt. Not only does this idea sound totally anti-Monetarist but it also sounds anti-Cochrane and friends as there is nothing they are less about than the idea that an increase in public debt  can ever be anything but an unmitigated evil-maybe some would except for war spending. 

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